Post Apocalypse Ethics?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by Ploofy, Jul 12, 2011.

  1. Ploofy

    Ploofy New Member

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    If and when the SHTF, how much of a responsibility to help others do those of us still alive have? Is it worth the extra supplies/day cost to save a life? Even without some sort of payment?
     
  2. Glockcurmudgeon

    Glockcurmudgeon New Member

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    Wow, this is a good one...

    I would be governed by how much I had for me and mine, and whether or not we could "afford" to help. Secondly, and admittedly personally subjectively, what could those helped contribute toward continued survival?

    Sounds cold-blooded? Hardly. WHEN TSHTF, resources of all kinds will be severely limited, or more likely for most, nonexistent... Since survival denotes/demands steadily diminishing resources- until and/or if civilization can be restarted, skill sets and possessions become the currency of the day...

    I don't think anyone wants to see women, children, anyone, turned away from food or succor... However, if it's food and supplies that you or your family need to survive, at least in my case, family comes first- my family...

    I think any other answers must, by their very nature, be disingenuous, deceitful, delusional, or depraved... Either you establish rules, for yourself and others, or chaos ensues... Chaos is NOT synonymous with survival, unless you inflict it upon others...

    Glockcurmudgeon, out...
     

  3. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    I would do everything in my power to save/help as many as I could ..... with the stipulation that they contribute something back.

    Society 1.0 has too many freeloaders as it is, no reason to repeat that mistake with Society 2.0 :cool:
     
  4. Dillinger

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    Good question.

    Here's the problem with the scenario.

    Odds are good that you either live where people can take care of themselves. Or you don't.

    Like minded people seen to end up in the same areas. You a hippie, tree hugging, Birkenstock, plastic hater, you move to where those types are accepted (downtown Seattle for example)

    You like trucks/SUV's, believe in hunting/fishing/shooting, flying an American Flag, Supporting the Troops, you probably don't move to the same neighborhood as those listed above.

    Just sayin'

    So when you ask the question, you have to factor that you just might not be the best equipped on the block. Believe it or not, you might not even be in the top 5 in the neighborhood. :eek:

    What then?

    So counter point to your most excellent question, what are you prepared to bring to the table to be part of the group that is taking care of business??

    JD
     
  5. neilage66

    neilage66 New Member

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    I guaran-damn-tee you, if the S really does HTF in spectacular fashion, the ethics rule book will be completely rewritten.

    Sad but true.

    Plan accordingly.
     
  6. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    On a more basic level, you have to examine your objectives and goals for that period of your existence. Are you trying to start some sort of colony? Are you just trying to keep yourself alive as long as possible or until some event takes place or some goal is reached? Are you trying to keep your family alive and prepare a safe place for them to live?

    Any remaining members of my family would most likely be just fine without me. I would only be out for myself and only for survival until a couple of personal goals could be met.

    Of course, there is a saying about "the best laid plans of mice and men...". Complications happen.
     
  7. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    Taking care of each other, especially in light of scarce resources, is exactly how civilization will be restarted. Otherwise it’s the law of the jungle and that's not a world I want to live in. That’s not to say I wouldn't have an interest in defending whatever nascent sustainable community I may have a part in developing.

    You need to compute whether you can help 'them' more then 'they' can hurt you, or if it's the other way around. Sometimes your best security from people who have nothing to lose, is to give them something to lose.
     
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  8. NOVA

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    I recommend reading the book One Second After, written by William R. Forstchen and published by Forge. Based on an Electro-Magnet Pulse (EMP) scenario, the book cover claims it has been discussed both in Congress and at the Pentagon. It addresses your topic in depth.
     
  9. Yunus

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    I would help others to the extent that I could with the limitation of ensuring that my family/friends are doing fine.

    I don't believe people's ethics would change from what they are now. Just their circumstances which would likely bring the true character of many people to light.
     
  10. NOVA

    NOVA New Member

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    September 1979, hurricane Frederick clobbered Mobile Alabama. We were without power for two weeks - I'm a first hand witness to how the whole neighborhood cooperated, shared their food and helped each other out. Also witnessed some folks not handle it too well after two weeks with no power.
     
  11. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Post Apocalypse Ethics come from the end of a barrel.
     
  12. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    You get nothing from me unless you know the FTF double secret bunker password.
     
  13. Vincine

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    You reminded me of the Ice Storm of ’98.

    We also were without power for two weeks. Some of us up here were without power for much longer than that. ALL of the transmission lines were down from the weight of the ice. Personally we were fine. We lived in a small house at the time. It had central gas heat, no power required, and it had a running stream in the back. We read ‘Treasure Island’ by Hurricane Lamp. Hot meals for those who needed it were at the fire house. So was everything else. Anybody that needed any help with anything, got it from someone. The Red Cross Disaster crew came. They didn't have anything to do. They left.

    As bad as we had it in northern NY, we knew those further north had it worse. We got a caravan together of all the fire wood we could spare and drove it up to Quebec. They were freezing to death up there and burning their furniture and porches to stay alive.

    No guns anywhere. I think it’s easier in the mountains than the cities. We’re used to relying on each other.
     
  14. yellowhand

    yellowhand New Member

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    When the russian bolt rifles came out on the market several years ago, for 59.00 up to 89.00 I started picking up one or two a month for those that will show up @ my place with nothing but a "cold hard change of attitude"!
    Most or many doctors are liberal gun haters.
    Most or many nurses are liberal gun haters.
    Most or many school teachers are liberal gun haters.
    and the list goes on and on.
    To survive, long term, WE all will need other people with many skills, and many of these people will at this time, TODAY, be the exact same people who think, no believe we are nuts for having weapons, food storage and plans to survive.
    Having a circle of like minded friends, or making up a group now will give everyone a basis to draw from in any emergency.
    Its really simple to do.
    Just say to people who would be needed in an emergency, if or when it hits the fan, come here, bring with you decent people you know and if a bad one does shows up, run their *** off.
    A circle of friends.
     
  15. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Those who survive will be those who can build communities and those who look to exploit those who find themselves outside communities. Unless of course you're holed up on the top of a mountain somewhere.

    I'd rather build communities.
     
  16. Ploofy

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    Okay, so let's say you find a little 8 year old girl who's been raped, beaten, and left to die. Obviously she can't contribute anything. She's going to need a pretty fair amount of time and attention and a little extra in the way of supplies. She may not survive. Could you really just keep on walking and leave her behind? But at the same time, could you really risk your own survival just to do what is considered "right"?
     
  17. cpttango30

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    Its a trap set by the zombies. While you stop to help this little girl they will rush in and eat your brains. Nope just shoot her from 400 yards out and keep moving on.
     
  18. orangello

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    ^^^ Sounds like compassionate euthanasia to me. Not to mention that given the dangers of packs of orphaned children, with limited development of social morals and taboos, could present. Who do young kids look out for, yep themselves (the id).
     
  19. neilage66

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    ;)

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  20. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    Okay, that's two of us. Anybody else?