post 64 model 94 failure to feed

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  1. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    I've bought an older model 94 and it will not feed. Work the lever and everything works right you put rounds in it and it won't lift them. Do I need to take it back if I can or how hard is it to fix thanks in advance
     
  2. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    If you can return it, I would. The lifter is the likely bad part.
     

  3. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    How much are the lifters and how hard is it to replace
     
  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Have you checked that all screws are tight?

    A loose screw has affected loading on mine.
     
  5. KG7IL

    KG7IL Active Member

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    I would keep it and fix it! Maybe you can get the cost of repair back? Or a portion of the cost?
    It's worth a try.

    Let's confirm a few things: post 64, pre angle eject. 30-30 Win ?
    the lifter appears to be operating correctly when UNLOADED? even with a little finger pressure downward on the lifter?
    The cartridge, and only one cartridge is released rearward to the lifter? and above the lifter?

    Share a little more info.
     
  6. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    Sorry about taking so long I work a job where I cannot be on my phone. According to the serial # its a 1966 the lifter lifts but any amount of pressure drops it. The place I bought it said bring it in and they would have there guy look at it. I picked it and the Marlin 60 up for $500 out the door. I have really been wanting a lever gun. Also can I shoot cast bullets. Thanks
    30-30 top eject
     

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  7. KG7IL

    KG7IL Active Member

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    Nice Model. Color Case Hardening, Saddle Ring and the simplest of engraving.

    When operating the lever, you should find three distinct resistances.
    1. The initial unlock of the bolt
    2. The resistance to begin the movement of the bolt (offered by the hammer)
    3. The last 3/16th of bolt movement (offered by the cam/snap of the lifter.

    I can apply sufficient pressure to the lifter to cause it to drop. Much more than I would expect from a round being moved.

    It should drop, but not flop.

    From another location on the web* by J Miller
    "A: Check the loading gate ( spring cover ) screw. Make sure it's tight, but don't strip it, the threads are super fine. Open the action, with a finger from the inside push the spring for the cover against the inside of the receiver while tightening the screw.

    B: Check the cartridge guide screws, they can loosen up. Make sure both cartridge guides are there. Tossing a live round out the top can happen if one of the guides is missing. Feeding problems happen when they are loose.

    C: Open the action slowly and see if the cartridge lifter snaps up when the bolt is fully open. If it does, stick your finger in and push it down. It should snap down. If it just flops up and down the carrier spring is probably broken. Or it's screw is loose. Seen both those things."​
    *http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=48522

    A couple of schematics (one with nomenclature)
    http://www.leverguns.com/exploded_view/images/win94old.jpg
    http://www.rarewinchesters.com/images/Exploded%20Views/1894%20Exploded%20View.jpg

    Look. I have one too!
     

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  8. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    Will have to check it out when I get back to the house got called into work about 2 hrs after I bought it. Thanks
     
  9. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    It happens that in the time span when your gun was made Winchester tried using a simple piece of spring steel for the lifter. Earlier and later ones used a forged chunk of steel. That is why I am suspicious of the lifter. But without seeing and testing the gun there is no way I can say for sure what is wrong.
     
  10. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    Are they interchangable