polymer with steel, better than alluminum?

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by old fart, May 17, 2013.

  1. old fart

    old fart New Member

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    i recently bought a stoeger cougar 40s&w, i love the gun and after 200 flawless rds i guess it loves me too. a friend of mine bought a sigma 40 at about the same time and shooting the other day he commented on something i've never thought of. he said the polymer guns with steel rails are superior to alluminum framed guns. he said his sigma will be going strong long after i've replaced the cougar. how true is this?, after the break in i will be shooting about 50rds or so a month. thanks
     
  2. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    For the normal shooter, there should not be any worries about what will last longer between the two.

    Now if you wanted to prove something.......
    take precise measurements of the rails of both firearms.

    Let him purchase the ammo and get into a shoot-off. Which ever breaks first would be the stopping point.

    Then take precise measurements again.

    (At least you will have fun in trying to find out which is better.)
     

  3. old fart

    old fart New Member

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    lol, that would be fun. except i can shoot my stoeger faster than he can his sigma so i would shoot more rds. the sigma is harder to get back on target than the cougar. he even admits in shooting that the stoeger wins but he said lasting strength goes to the sigma.
     
  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    If he picked up the tab for all the ammo so he could prove it.........who cares???
     
  5. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    The Ruger P95 doesn't have a rail. It is very dependable. It has been tested in both Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact, the P95 is what is being issued to the Iraqi and Afghan police. People in humid climates love the stainless steel model. They don't corrode or rust and it requires a minimal amount of care in comparison to pistils made with steel contruction. I own a P95. I have no idea of how many rounds I have fired with it. I have shot at least 30 IDPA matches with the pistol. Then I have fired at least 2,000 rounds just plinking and target practicing.

    The material the gun is made of doesn't really matter. The gun must be balanced so one piece doesn't absorb all the wear. If it is balanced well enough no parts take a lot of wear.
     
  6. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Sig, Beretta, Colt, Smith and Wesson, Ruger and many other manufacturers use aluminum frames and steel slides. They seem to hold up pretty well. Most folks aren't going to shoot their frame rails out.
     
  7. BeyondTheBox

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    Sounds like penee envy to me. Who wouldn't take a Cougar over a Sigma in a heart beat? ;D

    Also sounds like pure BS! Pretty sure testing is done on these things before they mass produce them, to ensure quality and stamina.
     
  8. apwvsd40ve

    apwvsd40ve New Member

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    I am that guy....just saying...lol
     
  9. BeyondTheBox

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    Lol

    You and anyone who prefers striker fired guns. Still baffling to me, but it takes all kinds.

    Ps, I shot my friend's Sigma several times, great gun.
     
  10. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    For the record, with my experience with the numerous type of firearms I've had in my possession...

    I would still say that (1) the statement does not make any reference to a creditable source (so it is hearsay and not admissable), (2) it was said in the taunting guise of "Mine is better than yours" (proclamation without proof and not admissable), and (3) the unwillingness to address the issue and demonstrate proof of statement (forfeiture of professed statement) that the appropriate course of action is....

    To nod your head and grunt like you agree just to shut him up! :)
     
  11. DrumJunkie

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    I own them made both ways. I have seen nothing that can make me believe that an aluminum framed pistol like a Sig Sauer will not hold up as well as a Sigma. Nothing against the Sigma. I've owned one and thought it was a great gun...trigger aside. My Para LTC is an alloy framed pistol and it probably has more rounds though it then both the mentioned guns in the OP and I imagine they wont catch up any time soon. It's as good today as it was when I got it new a few years ago. Nothing helps proof like real world testing.
     
  12. apwvsd40ve

    apwvsd40ve New Member

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    For me, in this case, its the brand. I say that admitting that I have not shot the cougar..but that I do not care for stoegers shotguns..so it comes from that. I do like my Striker-fired pictured above though:)))
     
  13. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    The cougar is basically a baretta. Made on same beretta machines from what I understand.
     
  14. sputnik1988

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    I know someone like that, 'mine is better'... 'my 30-06 is better in every way than your 308':rolleyes:

    I stopped debating him a long time ago
     
  15. Viking

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    Yep, and it's one of the most accurate out of the box firearm I've every shot and with the rotary lockup design follow up shots are great due to very little recoil raise.
     
  16. apwvsd40ve

    apwvsd40ve New Member

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    Good to know...thanks for the info.