Poly Sub 45

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by Woody, Aug 22, 2009.

  1. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Ok Im going to be gettin my first Poly Subcompact
    and I want it in a 45
    Really leaning towards a Glock 30 slimline

    but also eyballin the Springfield XD

    pros cons of either

    I really like the feel of the Glock but have never had one and it seems to me there is no lukewarm with Glock you either really luv them or you don't

    my edc now is a Ruger P90
    and a Kel Tec P3AT
     
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  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Woody - This won't come as much of a surprise around here, but if those are your two choices, I would choose the XD all damn day.

    The Glock has several issues, not the least of which includes a higher price tag, a plastic guide rod and handle designed by a moron.

    The XD is a superior weapon, I believe, on every level of evaluation.

    JD
     

  3. Samples.32

    Samples.32 New Member

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    I currently own a glock 23 in .40 cal and I must say that I absolutely love it. My fiance carries it while swimming and it doesn't even get a touch of rust and works great straight out of the water. He also was riding his motorcycle one day when it was raining real hard he slid across the asphalt at 60 mph on top of the glock and the glock only got one mild scratch on the slide. It's easy to take apart and easy to clean. On the other hand we also have an XD put away somewhere in this house and it shoots great. Aaron chose not to use it as a personal carry, simply because he knows his glock can go through anything and he has yet to put the XD through any type pf tests, but he is a gun salesman and supports XD right along with glock. Personally, I like the glock better, but I tend to snatch a little to the left when shooting it because I have such small hands. The XD I am always on target. Glock does better out to a further distance... You shouldn't have a reason to shoot a handgun at that distance. It's definetly a toss up, but as you said you either love the glock or you hate it. I suggest hitting the range to test them both out and see what you think.
     
  4. Samples.32

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    Dillinger is bias he is old :p The plastic guide rod holds out perfectly well although I might agree about the handle, but the XD has nearly the same problem. The glock, I believe, can stand up to more so the higher price is worth it not to mention the price isn't that much higher around these parts.
     
  5. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    :D

    *paging Sgt Miller* Your opinion on this thread is EXPRESSLY needed...

    JD
     
  6. Samples.32

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    Oh look he's calling the other old guy :p
     
  7. WDB

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    Woody, Take a hard look at the S&W M&P 45 compact. I own the full size model and wouldn't carry anything less. Sub compacts has a shorter grip and unless you have small hands it is a poor choice, you can add an extended mag or a an extended grip to make it up but at that point why not go for a compact instead of a sub compact?

    If I had to chose between a Glock and a XD I would pick a XD with out question and possibly blindfolded based on the grip angle. still saying why limit yourself to these? Go to a range that rents several of the top guns and shoot until you find the one that fits you.

    I have looked for a good sub comact in high caliber for a long time and discovered the best is a 357 mag snub nose rerolver.
     
  8. layton

    layton New Member

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    I have an XD that I use for around the house and carry in the car, but I also have a Taurus PT745 cub compact, and after going to the range Thursday to fire both, came back and cleaned the XD, then started cleaning the PT 745, when I noticed what looked like a crack under the thumb safty in the polymer part of the lower. I called Taurus, and the service was great, they are sending FedEX with a box to send it back, so in the meantime I got a light and magnifing glass and looked real close and found that it was not a crack, but just a ridge there, well got to call Taurus and cancil.

    Was relieved that it was not a crack, and that weapon shoots great right alongside the XD. The XD has about 1500 rounds through it and the Taurus has about 1000 rounds through it and both perform excelant with no FTF or FTE at all, great weapons.

    One other question, is it not rcomended to use goose grease on the slides any more, have not even seen it any where, the last I used it was in the service and we were told to always use it on the slides to cut down on wear.
    Now all I see mentioned is to just keep the slides lightly oiled, is that the norm now? Sorry to sound uninformed, but as far as taking care of weapons are concerned, I am still in the 60's.

    Layton
     
  9. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Xd doesn't come in a sub-compact .45, 9mm and .40 only. The smallest xd in .45 you'll find is a 4" .
     
  10. SGT-MILLER

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    Samples.32 posted:
    Time to head off to bed. The adults need to have a conversation here. :D






    Ok, I'll start off by saying the XD lineup does not offer a .45 ACP sub-compact. Your only choices for the XD sub-compact lineup will be the 9x19mm or the .40 S&W chamberings. You can still pick up a compact .45 ACP XD with a 4 inch barrel. You may want to look into that, if that seems like something you would be interested in.

    Now onto the Glock issue. Here's a few of my thoughts on the overpriced Glock brand (perfection my a**....lol).

    1. Tennifer finish is nothing special. In the USA, one of the names it is called is Melonite (which is what the XD lineup uses). Tennifer and Melonite are the same thing, just different names. The folks in Europe that developed the Tennifer finish didn't want other companies to use the name (which is understandable from a marketing standpoint). Don't take my word for it, though. I encourage you to perform the research yourself if you do not believe me.

    2. The plastic guide rod. The plastic guide rod does, in fact, hold up to normal use, but there is one big issue I have with it. Plainly put, I do not want to spend 550 dollars or more on a pistol that has the same plastic guide rod that is offered on a 300 dollar S&W Sigma pistol. The XD lienup has steel, not plastic, guide rods. Plastic versus steel? It's your choice on that.

    3. The infamous Glock torture tests. The Glock company is known to trudge out the fact that their pistols can withstand all sorts of weird torture tests and still fire. That's great, but the Glock isn't the only pistol to do it. XD did the same torture tests, but put even more rounds through their pistols.

    4. The grip angle. The reasoning behind this grip angle on the Glock is beacuse supposedly when you use the pistol in a "true" aggressive combat stance, this grip angle will allow natural point of aim. That is utter BS. I always wonder what the Glock company considers a combat stance? What about one-handed shooting? Around barricades? Sitting? Shooting while moving? etc, etc. Some people love the grip angle, but others hate them. Most operators I have spoke with in my military travels cannot stand the Glock. They prefer another grip angle which is what the XD offers. This grip angle was pioneered by:

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    The 1911 pistol! I would recommend that you try out one of the 1911 compacts offered on today's market (like the picture which is a Colt Defender .45 ACP). You WILL NOT find another design that has proven itself in longevity, and reliability. I encourage you to show me another semi-automatic design that is still being used by military, LEO, federal, and civilian sheep dog people after 98 years.

    In the end, it's up to you what you choose. The firearm has to fit YOU. Take your time with your decision, and go with your gut feeling. Some firearms will feel "right" to you, others will not.

    Good luck, and regardless of your choice, you will be getting a firearm that works just fine.

    Here's my basic review of my personal XD9 on youtube:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1VJgcYNnAU[/ame]
     
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  11. gorknoids

    gorknoids New Member

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    The single-most important aspect of any weapon is safety, and Springfield beats Glock there. I do have some rust on my XD9, but I'm a landscaper in Virginia Beach and I carry it IWB every day.
    Yes, I wash the holster every night. From a subjective standpoint, I prefer single-actions, like the way the grip fits the curve of my hand, love the ambidextrous mag release, and can break down 2.75 XD's before most people can break down a Glock.
     
  12. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Checked out the XD compact (4") with the Stainless slide today
    really liked the way it fit my hand

    But this

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVe10MFaFso]YouTube - Springfield XD 45 stuck slide (Dont Panic)[/ame]

    worries me
    anybody know of this problem
    or have actually done this to their XD
    or is this guy an idiot
     
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  13. Gojubrian

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    Sir, that man is "clearly an idiot." :)
     
  14. layton

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    I could not believe that he actually said that he was hitting it as hard as he could, amazing.Apparently he did not bother to get to know the weapon before hand.

    Layton
     
  15. Dillinger

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    That is OFFICIALLY the dumbest XD owner I have ever encountered.

    If ANYONE, EVER, advocates "banging your weapon" on any hard surface to fix a problem:

    DO NOT LISTEN TO THE REST OF THE SENTENCE!

    DO NOT STAY IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA!

    DO NOT OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT GETTING OUT OF RANGE!

    That guy is a toolshed from the word go. The mere fact that he posted that on the interwebz just gives everyone with an XD a black eye... :eek:

    *junk punch* And you know why!

    JD
     
  16. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    You should read the post and comments on that vid. It's crazy this braindead yahoo has people agreeing with him (not many) but enough to really scare you
    and apparently the problem initially comes from improper reassembly of the pistol

    will probably be getting my XD
    when I get back off the boat
     
  17. Yunus

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    I suggest you go for the one that feels most comfortable to you. You will find people here that don't like the Glock and you will find people that don't like the XD. Both firearms have good track records, you might hear about problems but they are very very popular guns so of course there are going to be problems. If either one had serious issues with reliability, longevity, etc they would lose market share and go out of business. Neither has so that should tell you something.


    HA! I was about to mention that I'm surprised no one suggested you check out a 1911, but then I reread the thread. The 1911 is a great choice too but I place it in a different class than an XD or Glock. I don't mean its better or worse just not as easy to compare apples to apples as an XD to Glock.
     
  18. Lowrider

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    I have a Glock 36 and am very happy with it. You get 4 more rounds with the staggered G30, but I liked the smaller size and weight of the 36.
     
  19. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    The XD Compact won out
    I've put my downpayment to hold it till I get off the boat in three weeks

    got the
    XD compact 45 acp
    4" barrel
    Stainless Slide
    comes with 10+1 mag for compact grip
    and a 13+1 mag with extension to get the grip length to that of the
    service model also with the 4" barrel

    opted against the optional ambidexterious thumb saftey
    cause this is going to get the crimson trace laser grip and that will not work on that model

    sides I feel confident the 1911 style grip saftey along with the glock style trigger lockin mech is quiet sufficent

    also put my order in for a Milt Sparks VersaMax II IWB holster
    as far as I'm concerened these are the Rolls Royce of IWB
    and definetly worth the price n wait
     
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