Police take gun without any charges

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by JWagner, Aug 10, 2013.

  1. JWagner

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  2. JonM

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    needs to fo toa jury trial and the chief of police and mayor pay the costs directly from their salaries for violation of civil rights.

    an award of a couple of million will sting those sob enough to think twice about violating civil rights. if it was a white officer beating a black man the case would be in the millions.

    in the case of civil rights violations like this where it is department policy to violate them the chief and mayor should be held personally liable and NOT the people of the city or state or federal government.
     

  3. JimRau

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    It sounds to me like a straightforward civil right violation case.:) OH I forgot, violating the rights of individuals protected by the 2nd Amendment doesn't count as a 'civil rights' violation!!!!:mad:
     
  4. robocop10mm

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    Not surprising from an anti-gun city. Austin forces many to get attorneys involved to get guns back. If APD had their way, no one (but them) would have guns. I have seen them send people's guns to the chipper to avoid giving them back. Hell, stolen guns are shipped up and the owner never notified the gun was ever recovered.
     
  5. Vikingdad

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    So Robo, could a citizen file a stolen gun report with, say, the Sheriff, or the BATFE, including the detail that the police stole the gun? What might happen in that scenario in your opinion?
     
  6. Tackleberry1

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    As with any grevience...

    Option A is too seek redress through the courts. Should option A fail, the only remaining option, option B, is to extract justice through natural law by inflicting an equal or greater amount of pain and loss upon those who've wronged you.

    If your not prepared to go to option B... Don't whine about you property being stollen by the blue light gang members. ;)

    Tack
     
  7. deadsp0t

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    What in the **** does that have to do with the price of apples in India.. A statement like this is completely uncalled for and unrelated..

    Jesus H Christ, why does someone ALWAYS have to drag race in to every little thing.

    Now, if these are the facts the NRA or some other gun advocate group should get involved and help for free or contingency if he/they were to receive any damages.
     
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  8. rjd3282

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    I guess this answers the question about police going along with gun confiscation. Sorry sir just following orders.
     
  9. deadsp0t

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    The link mentioned something about him being a felon, kind if contradictory to the other feel/fact presented.. I'm thinking there may be more to this then what the link is providing
     
  10. Doc3402

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    When I read it I saw it as a comparison of penalties in civil rights cases. Taking and keeping the gun without due process is considered by many to be a civil rights violation. I could be way off on that one, but that's what I got out of it.
     
  11. Chainfire

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    I can't get the picture to load, but that doesn't matter. In the story Mr. Washington's lawyer says he has no criminal record, but you are correct. If he is a felon the firearm can't be returned. One has to ask, how did he get the carry permit if he is a felon? Did he commit a felony after it was issued? If so, why wasn't it revoked? It would seem to me that if he presented a revoked permit there would have been some charges. Also, why throw money away on a lawyer if you know you don't have a right to the firearm?

    I suggest that it is a mistaken identity case. During the three days he was held he was cleared and eventually released. Now he wants his gun back.
     
  13. John_Deer

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    The article says the man has a CCP. Everyone here knows to get a carry permit you have to pass a background check and be fingerprinted. There is no case of mistaken identity.

    "This happens all the time,'' said Kevin Jamison, an attorney near Kansas City. "Police know that these cases are often more expensive to take to court than the guns are worth. Most people find out how much it is going to cost to sue, and they give up. It's a really annoying habit. It provides work for me, but it is really offensive.''
     
  14. Doc3402

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    John_Deer,

    You're overlooking the fact that the average street officer will go with what is on his terminal screen. If he did a name and DOB check for wants and warrants, and got three hits on Derrick Washington, he's probably going to go with the worst one. We have 9 Derrick Washington's living in my city. One of them has a few AKA's and one of them is an MD. Until their fingerprints are verified, how do you think both of them will be treated? Do you think the officers will let either of them keep their firearms while they wait for answers?
     
  15. locutus

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    Just be sure you give a copy of the report to the local TV station and newspaper!:D

    BTW, when my wife lived in N.O. La, the good guns went home with the senior officers and the klunkers went out to sea on the barge. Dontcha love a city where the mayor and chief have a contest to see who can be the biggest crook???
     
  16. Mouser

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    In a nation of laws, not men the confiscation of a personal possession without legal cause and intent would be theft. Police are people too...most good, some bad. I am not sure how a person could get the DA or other governing agency to look at it his way, but it is what it is. Either the gun was stolen or not...punitive damages only harm the community through higher taxes. Criminal charges for criminal acts are more cost effective!
     
  17. deadsp0t

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    I get that, but guys here are always saying how liberals drag race into every little thing justified or not then to see someone here bring it up in this context seems hypocritical as hell to me is all I'm getting at. I'd much rather discuss the facts of an issue then to start dragging ifs and buts into it before the discussion has even begun..
     
  18. robocop10mm

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    Since they do not inform the vicitm of the recovery, they will never know it was recovered. BUT yes, I believe there should be consequences for such illegal actions. And yes, I do believe it is intentional and systemic.

    I have pages of stories of unethical behavior I have been privy to, just not first hand so there is nothing I can do. There have been too many "stories" about such things for them all to be made up.
     
  19. Overkill0084

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    Maybe not, but they should damn well give it back after the issue has been sorted. Then of course, the Derrick Washington with the CCP and the other matching info should be easier than most to sort out.
     
  20. Chainfire

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    It is interesting that I posted two links. One was another news organizations coverage of the same story. They did identify the man who had the gun confiscated as a felon.

    I guess the ghosties blew away the other link, and I don't care enough to hunt it up again. If you care, google the man's name and Cleveland and you can find several stories.

    There is almost always more than one side to any story.