police shoot and kill 15 year old

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  1. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    This happened in chicago a couple days ago. They knew the kid had aspergers syndrome, they had been there 12 times since june. The kid had a kitchen knive and lashed out a a cop. He was shot dead. The article says in the head. On the radio this morning it was said that atleast one of the officers who shot had a tazer. If so why would'nt they have used it?

    http://loop21.com/life/police-kill-autistic-boy-15-his-home
     
  2. unclebear

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    well I guess he got what he wanted, in my view if he was attacking police officers with a knife and they tried to talk him down they did their job but when he cut one of the officers he was asking to be hurt. Just because he had a taser doesn't mean he thought of using it, police are human and when you have a knife wielding unstable teen and he's already cut one officer and your in close quarters adrenalin starts to rush and thinking isn't always clear. I can't say I would have been able to do anything different, whats done is done now lawyers and 50 million critics get to nip pick and yell about what officers did. Same every time people have to make a decision right then and there and after alls said and done some pencil pushers get to rip every second of what happened apart for as long as they want...
     

  3. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    Unclebear a large part of me thinks the same way. It seems to be happening more and more. I don't know if we just hear about it more or there is an uptick in these types of stories.
     
  4. rigjumpr

    rigjumpr New Member

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    And it starts again [​IMG]. every time somebody posts a story of the nature here come the Monday morning quarterbacks. Don’t ask why they had to kill the knife wielding kid; ask how did the kid with asperser’s syndrome able to get to the knife ask where the parent /care giver/adult supervision was.
     
  5. willshoum

    willshoum New Member

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    Over Kill............

    A shot gun loaded with rock salt, bean bags, taser, Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Todays cops is all about self preservation.... And I hope they remember that when they come knocking on my door......:mad:
     
  6. cfraga1978

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    Now if that cop would have been stabbed and died would you tell his wife/ kids "its ok that your husband/ father is dead, he did not want to shoot a poor kid with a mental disorder" hell NO. I would rather see a man go home safe to his family knowing he did what he had to do to protect himself.
     
  7. MrWray

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    A knife is put in the same force category as a firearm. You wouldnt pull your taser if the suspect was pulling a gun,same goes for a knife. You cant just leave anything to chance,especially your safety and your life. There could be a chance that you could pull your taser and be able to incapacitate the suspect,but theres also chances that the taser may not do its job and someone still get seriously injured or killed. A taser is used for several purposes but once a situation has escilated to deadly force you need to use deadly force. The fact that an officer has a taser shouldnt turn a deadly force scenario into an unjustified shooting. I have several years experience with the X26 Taser, here is examples of what you face when using one. If the officers were in close quarters with the suspect, the spread on the probes may not be far enough apart to be totally effective,the suspects nervous system may resist the electrical current rendering uneffective, or the officer may have to act quickly and miss altogether. Like i mentioned, dont leave your safety and the safety of others to chance. The situation sucks, but the officers did the right thing
     
  8. Overkill0084

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    The 220lb, 5'10" boy (?) transitioned from challenged (or whatever the current PC statement is) person to dangerous attacker in one moment. Sorry it had to be that way, but attacking a LEO with a dangerous weapon seldom ends well.
     
  9. orangello

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    Oh, come now, haven't you heard "it takes a village to raise a child" nowadays. I think people forget that villages include PARENTS. Hopefully, the kid is at peace now; i doubt the LEO on the trigger will be for some time.


    Regarding my "village" humor, did anybody on here ever have the cops called due to their own extreme reluctance to attend school that day? Seriously, WTF? If you have to call the cops to get your kid to go to school, maybe you should find that kid a better support structure/parents/group home/residential school or something. "The family called police this morning after Stephon Watts, who suffered from Asperger's syndrome, became upset and did not want to go to school, said his mother Danelene Powell-Watts." from the cited article.
     
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  10. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    Oh I get it, COPS ARE ABOVE REPROACH. 10/4
     
  11. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    What about a crossbow? What about a throwing axe? I think there are some shades of gray involved.

    I do think a careful and objective review of the situation by a fully informed is needed. I also think this kind of situation would be easier to "judge" if the officers were all equipped with gun cameras similar to the units available on tazers or with some other means of documenting the situation for review. I have read about some departments considering "lapel cams" to augment their "dash cams".
     
  12. cfraga1978

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    What if that kid was going after your child with a knife would you say its justified to shoot then. A knife is a deadly weapon.
     
  13. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    I am not going there. Like orangello said, it needs to be reviewed by an informed body. As far as a forum like this, I feel it is an appropriete discussion matter considering that we are headlong becoming a POLICE STATE.
     
  14. rigjumpr

    rigjumpr New Member

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    Beyond reproach? So that means the LEO’s are guilty of _________ (fill in the blank with whatever you’re trying to insinuate) next thing you will probably ask is why didn’t they “just shoot the knife out of his hand” your comments reeks of liberalism on a fairly conservative firearm forum. In other words you’re looking for war of words (IMHO)
     
  15. indychavez

    indychavez New Member

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    I would not. A frozen water bottle could be a deadly weapon. Would you shoot someone then?
     
  16. indychavez

    indychavez New Member

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    Yea you got me there but I don't think a knife falls into that category.
     
  17. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Knife on a stick with supplemental propulsion.
    :p

    But seriously, i have known a couple of people who i would back off from gladly while holding a loaded pistol if they pulled a knife and looked serious. Knives have killed millions of people in the history of our species.
     
  18. Tackleberry1

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    I agree with overkill.

    I'm no fan of the current paramilitary trend our Nations LEO community seems to be taking BUT that does not seem to be a factor here. In close quarters wearing soft body armor a knife is every bit as dangerous as a gun.

    Sad Tale but good shoot.

    Tack
     
  19. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    This is going no where very quickly.
     
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