Poaching wildlife after hunting season, questions?

Discussion in 'Hunting Forum' started by lonewolf101, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. lonewolf101

    lonewolf101 New Member

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    I herd that in Wisconsin where I live that if a person shots and kills say a deer out of season and you get caught by the DNR they have the power to fine you max.1500, you wont be able to hunt,fish or trap for 5 years and say the deer touches the pick up bed you put it in the bed the DNR can take your truck away! now my qustion is is this to extream? I mean they fine you take your hunting fishing trapping away and now your truck!do you think that they should have that much POWER? I think the DNR should have less power and authority on what they can do.
     
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  2. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Nope,

    If you think that is tough! Tennessee has similar laws!
    You will be also fined, your gun taken and sold at auction. And if your vehicle is involved they can take it also. I know some guys that were running another guys trout line in the middle of the night. TWRA caught them. They were arrested and Jailed, lost their boat and motor and they were going to take the truck and trailer since the boat had been transported to the lake to commit the crime. I am not clear if they finally got the truck and trailer but it was towed and impounded? Moral of the story do not violate the law. If it was in the case of starving I could understand but I do not think we are there yet!
    If people were allowed to get by with poaching the hunting season would not be near as good if good at all, for those of us who follow the law and pay our license fees to support the wildlife programs.

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  3. Car54

    Car54 New Member

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    Good, poaching and illegal harvesting is wrong. There has to be some control over hunting and fishing.

    Without some form of extreme penalties, there would be more poaching and illegal activities. Let's face it if someone takes the privilege of hunting away for 5 years, what's to stop that person from going out and hunting without a license. Take away something of value, most poachers won't do it again, then again there are some professional poachers who will poach no matter what.
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    It's called poaching for a reason. Do you object to police seizing cars and boats of drug dealers?

    Yes, if you get caught poaching you should face very stiff penalties. there is a season to hunt, you have made the choice to hunt outside of that season. You already have every technological advantage under the sun, you want have free reign to hunt to extinction as well?

    No, I dont feel the punishment is too harsh. There should be extenuating circumstances however if the vehicle is the only one the family has for work/transport and loss would result in undo hardship.

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  5. dunerunner

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    Not extreme at all. In Oregon, I believe they can impose a fine and confiscate everything involved in the commission of the crime. Your boat, truck, rifle, pistol, fishing gear, hunting knife, everything; if you choose to poach, fish for and keep undersized or protected species or exceed the bag limit.
     
  6. lonewolf101

    lonewolf101 New Member

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    I think thats in every State! its just some hunting laws are STUPID! if you put up a ground blind now you have to put a 144 sq.inch hunting orange square on all sides!.The DNR is not to friendly to hunters in Wis. the license go up every year it seams bag limets are low to get a bear lic. in this State take about 5 8 years!
     
  7. Car54

    Car54 New Member

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    The blaze orange is for a hunters protection from other hunters. If they see the orange on the blind, they should think that it's occupied and not shoot in that direction.
     
  8. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Isn't Wisconsin the latest to get CCW?

    That came about by the voters. The regulations have to be passed by the Wisconsin government. Legal means by bill passage can change things.

    I agree that poaching is not morally or ethically correct.
     
  9. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    Yes poaching is wrong but you should not have your possesions confiscated. They started that with drug busts now hunting, where will it stop? They don't take your shoes for J walking........yet. You aren't relieved of your belongings if you murder a fellow human but if you illegally kill an animal they can take your stuff. :confused:

    Get caught drinking and driving they don't take your car..........yet. I think government has way to much power and I don't like the idea of giving them more. The problem is once you let them do it for this crime then they start doing it for everything. And they will do it slowly adding to the list just like they do for taxes and gun control. They don't want the frog to jump out of the pot.
     
  10. willshoum

    willshoum New Member

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    Poached Eggs.........

    Please define poaching and or surviving. There is a difference. Poaching in England on the Kings land. These people were looking to survive because thier government taxed them into starvation......Whats in my yard is mine and if it is edidble, guess what. Keep your dog and cat on a leash.
     
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  11. Werminator

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    Deep breathes RJD... For what it is worth, in many states they can and do take your car in the event of a drunk driving charge... Many impound lots are full of cars collected under these circumstances... That is, if you're lucky enough they catch you while there is still a vehicle worthy of confiscating. I think the math on this one is simple... break the law+get caught= consequences. Laws are not enacted by faceless politicians but by people we elect to help better our situations. Government serves its constituents, not the other way around. Poaching is illegal for a lot of reasons, some are not so obvious, but crimes of this nature should carry heavy consequences. If I were caught harvesting a deer, for instance, outside of season I would not be persuaded to not do it again with a small fine or slap on the wrist. Take my gun or quad and you've got my attention. Especially true for the "professional poacher..."
     
  12. lonewolf101

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    that a good point there! thats why I dont AGREE with all that ABUSE they can dish out to ya! for a frigging deer you lose you car or truck! THATS JUST WRONG ABUSE OF POWER thats what that is.
     
  13. Glasshartt

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    It all comes down to a respect for the laws of the land. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. And yes, RJD, in Texas at least, LEOs can take some of your possessions if you commit murder, if they are used in the commission of the murder.
     
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  14. JonM

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    I got no issue with it. Hunting is a huge industry in wis. a LOT of businesses rely on hunting fishing to stay open people rely on it for their jobs the state relies on it to keep from having to raise your taxes.

    If they can recoup just a fraction of the cost poaching has on the statewide private economy and livilihoods of honest hard working folks do it. I dont see how poaching is any different than some slob walking into a store and robbing it at gunpoint.

    The previous governor and democrats took a huge political hit fir their epic mismanagement of wisconsin's wildlife
     
  15. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    :confused:

    If the car/truck/quad was used in the commission of the crime, why would it NOT be subject to forfeiture? I suppose following your line of thinking only the ammo should be forfeit because that is what really killed the deer? :confused:

    Law of the Land. You don't get to play both sides of it when it suits you.

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  16. rjd3282

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    Like I said where does it stop. Everytime we let them do this they scale it up. They won't stop with drugs and poaching. Soon if you post something they don't like they'll take your computers and phones. Look what the IRS can do and they don't have to prove anything in court. I'm just looking at the governments past history. I'm not defending poaching.
     
  17. lonewolf101

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    Well I dont look at poaching as a very serious crime! and I dont like such a punishment like taking a man property its not like your killing a HUMAN BEING! it just adds up to BIG GOVT and I dont need or want govt in my life!.
     
  18. orangello

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    Even SOME law enforcement agencies need a financial incentive sometimes. Drug seizures have probably funded many a "tactical unit" that the LEO agency couldn't have afforded otherwise; i would assume the wildlife enforcement agencies are in a similar system. This situation has existed at least since the days of the Sheriffs in England; that alone doesn't make it right, admittedly.


    You know, i bet speeders would slow down a good bit if the third traffic ticket cost them their car; maybe that will happen as traffic congestion increases.
     
  19. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Well, it's NOt "a frigging deer". If the consequences for poaching were light, then it would add up to thousands of "frigging deer". Unless, of course, you are implying only YOU should be allowed to poach. I don't believe the laws are too harsh. If you want to be responsible enough to own a gun and hunt, then the laws should be followed. It's people who poach and break other gun laws that give gun owners a bad reputation.
     
  20. c3shooter

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    I had a cousin (actually, dad was from a large family- I had 45 cousins) that was an inveterate poacher, He would kill about 30 deer a year. In season, out of season, illegal firearms, spotlighting, etc. Got caught with a doe the opening day of BUCK season. Cost him his license, $5000 fine, shotgun- but his CAR being confiscated and sold by the sheriff was what made him stop.

    BTW, here in VA, seizures for violation of a state law- the funds- by law- go to one place- the State Literary Fund. Buys books for schools and libraries.

    Don't mess with the Perch Police, or the Deer Deputies. Poaching is a major problem, there ARE people that are poaching for cash (not survival) and it is RARELY an "accidental" crime.