Plum Crazy...

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by 70cuda383, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. 70cuda383

    70cuda383 New Member

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    What happened to them? did they go belly up already? I bought one of their lowers at my LGS last December. but now I don't see their website and the only thing I find on them are a few online stores that are selling them, and mostly reviews of them on gun forums.

    Hope they're not out of business already! that means my "lifetime warranty" lasted less than 9 months! haha!
     
  2. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Their polymer building caved in? :D
     

  3. 70cuda383

    70cuda383 New Member

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    :eek:

    That's funny!
     
  4. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Sorry for the joke... I looked around and can't find much either. Joe Bobs says they no longer carry PlumCrazy.

    This doesn't look good. A little history off the top of my head...

    There was a factory in Lake Havasu City, AZ that made polymer lowers which had a bad reputation, seems like this was 2003 and earlier. Seems like the name was Progressive or something like that. Then Bushmaster took over the plant and sold the Carbon 15 which also had a lot of complaints. BM closed the LHC plant and moved C15 manufacturing to their main Windham, ME factory then moved again to Ilion, NY. Then PlumCrazy starts selling polymer lowers out of Lake Havasu City of all places, now they're closed. I don't know anything about New Frontier but can't see any reason to go with anything but 7075-T6 receivers.
     
  5. 70cuda383

    70cuda383 New Member

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    No problem on the joke.

    I emailed Joe Bobs and asked if Plum Crazy is belly up or got bought out, etc. and the reply I got back was basically "beats me, last spring they just disappeared and we don't know what happened"


    I bought the Plum Crazy knowing it was a risk, but it was cheap enough I figured "why not" I wanted to see how cheaply I could put together an AR and see how well it works. so far, no complaints, but only about 500 rounds through it.

    When I bought it, it had a "lifetime warranty" so I figured "eh, if it breaks, oh well, I'll get another one for free!" but not if they're gone!


    Looks like my course of action now is IF it breaks, buy aluminum:D
     
  6. fsted2a

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    So many AR companies have gone down the crapper, it aint funny. One that comes to mind is Constitution Arms, which I beleive was out of Corpus Christi TX. It was owned by a former Colt employee.In the early '80's, he sank his savings into the company with the plan of making AR conversions to the LSW, or light support weapon. It was an open bolt M16A2, which would only fire full auto. Anyway, with the Hughes amendment, his market was completely taken away, and he wasn't set up to deal in AR's, so he had to take a loss on his business just to get out from under so much debt. I see a lot of AR's going out of business over the next couple of years.
     
  7. Sentry18

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    I am wondering if Plum Crazy is now New Frontier. There is a thread on AR-15.com where they compare the two and sans logo they look identical. The New Frontier lowers are supposed to be made of a higher grade polymer but on the same equipment as Plum Crazy. Makes me wonder if the decided it was better to be born again then come out with a Plum Crazy version 2.0 lower. Of course this is all speculation.
     
  8. purehavoc

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    This happens alot when a company files for bankruptcy or has a lawsuit against them . Just saying , I will stick with my forged receivers from known companies
     
  9. Sentry18

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    I have 3 of them but two are for dedicated 22LR's so I am not concerned. I am pretty sure I am going to use the third with my 9mm upper or a 5.56 upper to just to see how much I can abuse it. As long I don't lose any digits in the process!
     
  10. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    They are out of business. It is rumored they were ripped off by undisclosed persons in their supply chain.
     
  11. SSGN_Doc

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    With a continuing trend of polymer lower manufacturers coming and going at about the same rate that Vulcan/Hesse/Blackthorne changes names, it really begins to make me wonder why folks want to continue to gamble with these suspect companies and products. Especially when there is so much competition among companies with established reputations for good products in the AR market.
     
  12. sweeper22

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    Quoted for truth. You can go "on the cheap" and still get a S&W. And you know that (barring the Apocalypse) they absolutely will be a prominent name in the firearms business tomorrow, next year, and almost certainly for decades to come.
     
  13. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    meh... it happens.

    I've got a Plum Crazy on my AR right now. I picked it up knowing it was a low cost experiment. The company disappearing is no loss. I've already got a Stag Arms stripped lower in the safe waiting to start the build.
     
  14. purehavoc

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    True and for what they cost can u really expect any support?
     
  15. bigrock44

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    I thought that Plum Crazy had became New Frontier Arms also.

    If you pay for something you would at least expect the company to stand up to their guarantee, but when they go out of business most of the times so does your guarantee.
     
  16. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    New Frontier tends to deny being part of Plum Crazy, from what I've read. I do think I read somwhere that they use the same mold facility, but different polymer.

    Either way. I just don't get it. Seems shady. Seems like these guys are never around long enough to back anything up. Seems that they always end up with the same weak points. The design of the receiver was engineered around aluminum. Polymer does not posess the same properties. The design, dimentions would need to change accordingly, or some reenforcment would be required.

    On the "Carbon 15" guns out there I found the use of the term "Carbon" to be a bit misleading. Most folks think of carbon fiber, that is woven and impregnated with resin. This is very high in rigidity, and reenforment, because of the long fibers and interwoven pattern to give multidirectional reenforcment to the structure. Sprinkling in short fibers or particles to a plastic comppound is no the same. It does provide strength, but not to teh same degree.

    People run back and use Glock and other polymer pistols as a reference, but that is unfair, becasue those guns were designed from the drawing board to use the material that they are made from.

    Rant off.
     
  17. Sentry18

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    In all fairness Glocks are basically Colt-Browning tilt-barrel short recoil designed autos, which makes them polymer framed versions of formerly metal framed guns.