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Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by trentiusmaximus, Sep 23, 2007.

  1. trentiusmaximus

    trentiusmaximus New Member

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    IM deciding whether i should get a 30-06 rifle or a .308

    I want to know....

    Which has the highest: accuracy, energy, and velocity at 1,000 yards of more?

    Does anybody have any input on the law enforcement grade savage rifles like the 10fp or the 10fpxp hs precision?

    Which is the most accurate rifle that shoots these calibers that i could get for about $1,000-2,000
     
  2. Duck

    Duck New Member

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    12 bazillion snipers can't be wrong, so the .308 would probably be a good bet. 1000 yards is a long way though, you need more than a good rifle to do it.
     

  3. 300wsman

    300wsman New Member

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    I gree with Duck, 308 hands down.
     
  4. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    .308 is a good round, but if you're looking for long distances, look to the .300 Win Mag or the .338 Lapua Mag, they've become the long distance, tactical option. There are inexpensive options like the Remington 700s for the .300 Win Mag option, but if you'd like the .338 Lapua, expect to spend some cash. Accuracy International, Sako and PGW Defence are a few companies that build rifles in .338 Lapua.
     
  5. Catfish

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    They shoot the same bullets, but the .30-06 shoots them faster. Accuracy has far more to do with the individual gun than caliber. Froget 1,000 yrds shot unless your are willing to spend more than $ 2,000. You can put togeather an accurate rifle for around $ 1,000, your scope will cost $ 800 and up then you will need a very good range finder and none in the under $ 500 range will do a good job out to 1,000 yrds. You can forget the range finder if your are shooting at none yardages. After you get the gun and work up the most accurate load you will need a drop chart and then you must go out and shoot at at least every 100 yards to check your chart. I built a .22-6mm up for long range coyote shooting. My final load will be between 3,400 and 3,500 fps. with an 80 gn. bullet. So far I have around 400 round down the tube and am still working on the load and the bullet. I have fired 1 group at 500 yards so far and it was a 3 1/4 in. 3 shot group in a 15 mph wind. Whoch bring up anpother thing you will need and that is a way to measure wind speed, wich can not only change speed several time in 1,000 yards but also direction. With a bullet that has a BC of .481 the bullet when fired at 3,481 fps will drop 137.21 inches at 800 yards and 159.12 in. at 850 yards at 1800 feet above sea level at 55 degrees. That is almost 22 inches, so you have to know the exact velosity of your bullet and the exact yardage of your target when you get out there. The difference between 950 yrds. and 1,000 yrds. is a drop of 83 inches. At the same elevation and temp, but if you change any thing you through off your drop chart. Warmer and it will shoot higher, colder and it will shoot lower. At higher elevations it will shoot higher and so on. To make matters worse you have the wind. With the above load the bullet will drift 38.58 inches at 800 yard with a 10 mph cross wind, and 64 1/2 in. at 1,000 yrds. so if you guess the wind at 10 and it is 15 mph your off 32 1/2 in at 1,000 yards.
    If your after a 500 yard gun and have a reasonable range finder you will be able to do what is needed on game with any .308 or .30-06 that will shoot 1 moa. at that range, a 5 in group, if your are able to shoot that well.
     
  6. Duck

    Duck New Member

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    ^ Shoot much? So how high do you have to aim at 1000 yards? It seems like you're getting into indirect fire territory. :D
     
  7. Chuck

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    ...and crew-served weapons. :p

    Maybe the Barrett 99 in .416 would be appropriate. :D
     
  8. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Like Catfish said, If you want to get serious about 1000 yard shooting you are looking at a big dent in the bank account.

    Personally I would go with .300 WM. The -06 does not have a big jump over .308. With modern powders there is only a difference of 100-200 fps. The WM will give you 200 plus fps over the -06. I would look at the Remington Sendero in .300 WM.
     
  9. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Remington has begun to make a 700 Tactical that is based on the Sendero platform. Awesome looking gun, but for the $2500 price tag, I'd look elsewhere.
     
  10. trentiusmaximus

    trentiusmaximus New Member

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  11. Catfish

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    When the bullet leaves the barrel it starts to fall. It falls at the rate of 32 feet per second per second, so if a bullet is in flight for 1 sec. it will be falling at the rate of 32 ft. per. sec. and will have already fallen 16 ft. At the end of 2 sec. it will be falling at the rate of 64 ft. per sec. and have fallen 32 ft. Besides falling at twice the rate the bullet is loseing velosity which makes drop more in a shorter distance.
    For anyone wanting to play behond 500 yrds. for coyote or varmints there are several Wildcat rounds. For varmints I like to stay with .22 cal. so I like something from the .22-243 Middlestead up to something like a .22-284. I chose a .22-6mm, alittle more case capiaity than the Middlestead, and I don`t need so many steps to form brass as you do with the .284. I still have not desided on my final load yet, but it will be for now an 80 gn. Berger bullet at some where between 3,450 and 3,500 fps. it looks like. With a 100 yrd. zero it would impact abt 205 in. low at 1,000 yrds. That is 20 1/2 MOA if you click it in, but I doubt that I will do much shooting at that range as this is a coyote rifle, and a barrel burner, so I don`t want to over heat it to much.
     
  12. rickrem700

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    Longrange rifle

    Good lord no!!! If you are serious about this spend a little time, research this a little bit, first of all the 308 is a fine round for police and swat applications, but truth be known it is only good out about 800 yards, after that it just runs out of a$$, The gun and round you are looking for is the Remington 700 sendero 11 stainless and fluted in 300 ultramag, I just finished a post about this, titled 1500 yard sniper rifle. If you go and read it, It will save me having to write it again, If you have any additional questions please feel free to message me, Hope this helps.