Please can anyone help ??????

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Giddyuperic, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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    I got this shot gun from my father and he got it from his grand father. Can anyone please tell me any thing about it? It has two 12 on it so I think it might be a 12 gage?? Also it has WT and and other stuff you can se if the photos. Any help would be great please and thank you. Eric
     

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  2. Cadoll

    Cadoll New Member

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    See if a 12 ga shell will fit the chamber... Dont by any means try tp fire it without getting an opinion by a gunsmith.
     

  3. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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    No I don't have a shell. Trust me I would never fire it. I am more interested in the history of it. Can you tell me any more about it? Thanks
     
  4. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    The crown over crossed whatevers over V and P are Birmingham England
    proof from 1813 to 1904. I've got nothing on the rest, but I'll bet someone
    comes along and tells you what "ROSES" on a gun barrel means.
     
  5. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Be really careful. Many 12 gauge were 2.5" chambers in those days.
     
  6. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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    thank you and

    I already joined I love weapons and old guns, shooting fishing and all that stuff. I own two custom ruger 10-22s and mini 14 of course and P-85 mark II and some other hand guns. I would like and hope I could get as much info on the shot gun. Thank you so much, so far please keep it coming:D. Thank you Eric
     
  7. deathkricket

    deathkricket New Member

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    And black powder.
     
  8. Hawg

    Hawg New Member

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    Like Bill said the crown over BCP is a Birmingham proof from 1813-1904. The crown over V is a Birmingham inspection mark used from 1812-1904. I can't make out the other one well enough to tell what it is. The barrels are damascus and will have short chambers. The W.T. is probably the inspectors initials
     
  9. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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    thank you

    Thanks would it help is I used a thooth brush and a little gun oil to clean them? As of now thanks for all the info. Why is there such a big window of when it was made?And If any body else knows any thing please keep it coming. Thank you. Eric
     
  10. Hawg

    Hawg New Member

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    Maybe a close clear pic would help. Are there any markings on the locks or top of barrel rib at all?
     
  11. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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    More photos of her

    What is a close clear pin? I have one of the dental one's will that work? I was just going to use a old tooth brush and gun solvent???
     

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  12. Hawg

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    I meant a close clear picture of that last proof mark. Also some close pics(pictures) of the locks.(the side plates with the hammers).
     
  13. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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  14. armsmaster270

    armsmaster270 New Member

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    What a piece of history. Congrats for owning it.
     
  15. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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    Thank you any more info plese would be great. And what is a shot gun like this worth?
     
  16. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    Looks to be a pinfire.
     
  17. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Hiwall is correct- that is a pinfire shotgun. The action may be a Jones underlever- used by a number of gunmakers in Britain. Your gun COULD have been made in another country, exported to Britain, which required all imported guns to be proof tested.

    To the OP, you were not given a range of dates of manufacture- those were the dates during which the government proof house used those markings.

    Lighter, larger pictures showing makings on rib, on the side plates, etc would help a lot.

    If you are not familiar with pinfires, it is an obsolete priming system, neither rimfire nor centerfire. Each shell has it's own firing pin, gun has none. Predated centerfire priming, which replaced it. Modern shotshells will not fire or fit. They look like this:

    pinfire.jpg
     
  18. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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    where?

    I am new to taking photos of old guns. Can you please tell me what parts of the gun you would like photos of and I will take them for you. You guys are great we had no idea about the history of this shot gun. Great site and very nice people thank you so much. Let me know about the photos and I will take them later today. Thanks Eric
     
  19. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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    Let me know?

    Can you see what you are loking for? Or is there some other part of the gun you would like me to take photos of. Is there people out there would buy this gun? My father said If I could sell it I could keep the money. Does any body have a idea of what is worth? Thanks for the help. Eric
     

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  20. Giddyuperic

    Giddyuperic New Member

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    Here is what I think you want to see??

    Maybe this is what you want?
     

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