Pistol Carbine Conversion Kit

Discussion in 'NFA/Class 3 & FFL Discussion' started by Mandy, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Mandy

    Mandy New Member

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    I found this carbine conversion at a local Gun shop, I didn't ask the dealer, but after reading some posts in this section I'm wondering if to acquire one of these and install it will make my Glock a SBR or something else that needs to be registered and pay a stamp.

    CAA Tactical | RONI: The Pistol-Carbine | RONI-G1

    Any thoughts thanks

    Mandy
     
  2. rachilders

    rachilders New Member

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    I can foresee a MAJOR problem for anyone who tries to install this w/o getting an ATF stamp. Unless there's some "technicality" the company is using to get around the ATF regs I'm not aware of, this kit will turn your pistol into a SBR and you'd BETTER have the stamp before you try it. If someone knows the actual legality of owning and using this kit either with or w/o the stamp, please chime in.
     
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  3. AusLach

    AusLach New Member

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    One good thing about Australia's gun laws is that if you get one of these (or similar) your pistol is still a pistol :cool:

    See Morgo's post *here*
     
  4. Mandy

    Mandy New Member

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    Found it on another shop and asked the owner about the legality of the device, his response was that since it doesn't modify the gun in any way, it can be used without any legal consequences.

    He demonstrated that it's a carcass that goes over the pistol and closes with 2 pins into itself, and since it's not permanently attached to the gun there are no problems, it's like a cocoon for the pistol.

    Still not sure about the explanation and would like to know for sure before spending $450.00 + tax on a gadget that I'm not sure if it can't be legally used without a special registration.
     
  5. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Though I am no lawyer, he is right there is no mod to your existing hanggun it simply slips into the frame as is. The ATF may look at it other wise in the future but as of right now it is legal. It does not effect the oregional weapon at all but rather gives you something bulker to hold onto.
     
  6. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I can pretty much guarantee that is the US that is an SBR. In PR? I do not have a clue.
     
  7. MLRDist

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    For the USA, I expect BATF to rule on this. If you were adding a stock and a carbine barrel you would be OK for sure but I would think adding a stock or front pistol grip to a pistol will put it in the NFA category. Don't believe erverything you are told unless it is in writing form BATF.

    Mark

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  8. opaww

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    If you have any doubts about it's legality contact the ATF yourself and get the skinny right from them. They are more then happy to help on issues like this
     
  9. rachilders

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    +1

    There are several countries represented within this post and they all have different laws and regulations. Those living in the U.S. need to ensure they follow the BATF regulations. Just because it's legal to own and/or install something in one place (laws even vary, like mag capacities for example, from state to state here) doesn't mean you can legally do the same thing elsewhere. I can legally own a butt stock that will fit one of my pistols if I decided to install it, but if I did install it - which makes it a SBR as per the ATF - w/o the approval of the BATF, I will get in MAJOR hot water if caught.
     
  10. Mandy

    Mandy New Member

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    Puerto Rico falls under the jurisdiction of the BATF and that is why I asked it to my fellow Americans, local laws doesn't prohibit the use of this device, but I worry about the federal implications of the installation of this device, I can certainly own it and never install it and there would not be any problems, but why buy something and not use it.

    I'll contact local ATF office and see what they say about it, I read somewhere that local offices may have a different opinion from the main office, what would be a final ruling, the local office or the main office? Also any approval must be in writing in order to be valid right?
     
  11. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Having a Glock and this "kit" would be called "Constructive Possession". Just a guilty as having it assembled.
     
  12. MLRDist

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    Who ever and what ever gets ruled upon, make sure you get it in writing. Word of mouth isn't going to help you in court! Also, BATF is know to "OK" something and then later come back and over rule the first ruling....

    Mark

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  13. Mandy

    Mandy New Member

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    Seems like to much trouble for a toy that rarely will be used, I think I'll pass but for sure will ask the BTAF some day to clear my doubts