Pistol bullets in a rifle cartridge it possible??

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by PatrickHarrison, Nov 7, 2011.

  1. PatrickHarrison

    PatrickHarrison New Member

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    Is it safe and possible to do this as long as the bases are same diameter ie .311 pistol bullet in a .311 barrel?
     
  2. 1hole

    1hole New Member

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    The weapon will never know what the label on the box says; do it.
     

  3. PatrickHarrison

    PatrickHarrison New Member

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    Alrite so a hornady xtp pistol bullet put in 7.65 argentine
     
  4. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    I think that as long as the diameter match, then it should work. It might not be optimal for long range though just because the aerodynamic design is not for the rifle velocity. JMHO.
     
  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    You will probably have accuracy issues. Look for keyholing as in the bullet going in the paper at odd angles. Holes will be odd shaped sometimes ripping the paper. Its also possible they may disintegrate leaving the muzzle at rifle velocity.

    The other issue is finding safe load data.

    Personally i wouldnt do it.
     
  6. Shade

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    There are some accuracy issues, so as long as the twist rate of your
    rifle barrel is in the range of the bullet and you are shooting the correct
    caliber bullet for that barrel. You will be safe. You do have to find
    proper load data or at least starting data for the round and work up
    an accurate load from there. Hotter is not better.

    I load .357 hunting handgun bullets in my 12 year olds .35 Remington
    (Marlin 336C) Lever Rifle. I also use Hodgdon's SR4759 powder for an
    excellent reduced recoil round for him. They are accurate and he got
    his first buck (button) last year with it, he is ready to hit the woods
    again this fall.
     
  7. oldpapps

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    With the same diameter pistol bullets are safe.
    First problem is to find a correct/safe loading for that weight of bullet. Something close and lighter will work and load light.
    Second problem is the bullet it's self. Pistol bullets are designed to do there thing at lower velocities. Moderate velocities from a rifle is going to be fast for a pistol, The possibility of complete disintegration of the bullet is there. Followed by the shedding of the jacket. IF the bullet reaches the target it could very well blow up on target. That sounds neat at first but do you want to skin your target animal and send slivers of lead and jacket into it's body to fester?
    As stated in the previous posts, stability could very well be a major problem.

    Unless you have great numbers of pistol bullets to waste (you can send them to me :) ) I don't see any more value in this exercise than an interesting experiment. I think paper patched cast lead bullets would be a better way to experiment.

    That said, I have played with some and they were fun to play with, not very functional but fun. Cast 75 grain .32 S&W bullets out of a .303 British, didn't have a crono at the time but they would hit paper at a hundred yards.

    Enjoy and be safe.

    OSOK
     
  8. hiwall

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    I read an article once where a guy was just trying see how fast he could get a bullet to go. He had if I remember right a .257 Weatherby and he was using 50 grain .25 auto bullets. Sorry I don't remember how fast he got them (I think less than 5000 fps). No harm was done to anything. And the bullets only had to stay together for 10 feet or so to check the speed.
     
  9. PatrickHarrison

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    Wow!!!! Thanks for the great info people its all just a question i was thinking a fun varmint/target round would be interesting with top fps speed from a 60 grain hornady xtp hollow point or some other pistol .311 bullet. Itd get grins and giggles from friends and family and well maybe somethin ill do when i get my reloading stuff for my 7.65 argentine mauser. Problem would be getting reloading information tho it would be awesome to have the rounds where they wouldnt disencrate or keyhole or spit sounds like a dang fun exsperiment. Ill have to get on it tho hopefully it wont be a fail. Thanks for the info people it realy helps! Good hunting and shooting!!
     
  10. JTJ

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    Be very careful with your powder. I use to load pistol bullets at about 2000fps. You may need to stabilize the powder charge to prevent detonation with light loads. I used to use a tuft of kapok to keep the powder in place. For 308 the 30 carbine 110 grn soft point round nose worked pretty well.
     
  11. Shade

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    4759 is excellent for this application.
     
  12. Trez

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    You could use some Trail Boss? From what I understand its impossible to overpressure..
     
  13. jpattersonnh

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    Hornady makes a 110gr Spire point .308 for .308. They run just under 3000fps. Makes for a fun vermin round.
    http://www.imrpowder.com/pdf/IMR_rifle.pdf

    Hornady makes .312 bullets which will be well suited for the OP. 150 and 174gr.
     
  14. res45

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    For a light plinker/small game load in my Mosin M44 bored dia. .312 I use the Hornady .314 Lead SWC with a light coat of Lee Alox for good measure loaded over 5 grs. of Bullseye,five shot groups are about quarter size at 25 yds. that's as far as I have tested it. MV is about the same as standard 22 HV ammo 3.5 grs. will get you right at subsonic. I load the bullet with about 1/32 of the bearing surface exposed above the case neck and use a very light roll crimp.

    Graf & Sons - HRN 32c (.314) 90gr SWC BULLET Swaged-Lead 500/BX