Phoenix 22A any good?

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by group17, May 3, 2010.

  1. group17

    group17 New Member

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    Looking for a cheap 22 plinker and read good and bad about Phoenix 22A.
    Any one with owner experience?
     
  2. big shrek

    big shrek Well-Known Member

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    If the safety works (doesn't fire when on), it might be worth buying for around $100 or less.

    Otherwise I'd run like heck.
     

  3. group17

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    Because of all the great feedback I bought one.
    Deluxe kit came with a 3"& 5"interchangeable barrels, two mags and lots of cleaning stuff in a lockable plastic case.
    Took it to the range and had fun blasting targets all afternoon. Great little accurate plinker! Had zero problems.

    Has two safeties that both work.


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  4. dwwright

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    I've got the same one. Have ran about 500 rounds through it with only 2 FTE's (blaming cheap ammo). I also got the 5" barrel, but the slide was sticking bad with it. After a lot of filing of the sides of the barrel I finally got it working right. Was putting all 10 rounds within 1" group at 25' easily.

    I have been reading about the recoil spring stove piping around 1000 rounds, so I called Phoenix today to order some more springs. I asked to purchase 3 springs, after I gave her my address info, she said they would be sending them out free of charge. :eek: Wasn't my first good experience though. I ordered 3 extra magazines from them (much cheaper than the gun shop) and they sent me 4 as well as the holster. Checked my invoice and they only charged me for the 3 magazines. :cool:

    p.s. I've done the magazine release mod, very worth doing. I did by an extra safety from Phoenix though to have on hand in case I ever needed to send it in for service or sell it.
     
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  5. group17

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    One of the reasons I wanted to try the phoenix was all the good reviews on service.

    I had hit them up for springs not knowing how many rounds had gone through my used pistol.

    Just like you the springs where free.

    After changing the barrel out you kind of notice the contortions the guide rod less spring goes through.

    Great idea to have some spares.

    I also had read that just like Hi-point they send you a free mag for your trouble.
    I'm liking this little plinker more every day!
     
  6. dwwright

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    Yeah, I thought about modifying mine to add a guide rod, but not sure it would do much good since there so little room that it would bind anyway with the slightest kink in the spring.
     
  7. cheetah84

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    I purchased a used one about a month ago. I was looking for a small metal pocket pistol.
    I wanted NEW but found that almost everyone was out of stock.
    For $100 this little pistol fit my hand perfectly. Shooting was a pleasure (even one handed) After firing 4 full mags There where no FTF or FTE's.
    Most 22 cal's are finicky about the ammo they like but the HP-22 actually ran perfectly
    with cheap bulk ammo. It was very accurate even during rapid fire shooting.

    The only negative I can report is that my pistol was a older model. The newer mags I purchased won't drop out when you hit the Mag release button. I called Phoenix Arms
    ( Nice People) and found that they had started using new molds to make the pistol. The newer mag well is slightly larger as are the magazines. There is NO problem as long as you use the extended finger grip mags. You can simply pull them out. The flat bottom mags have to be pried out.
    With the newer pistols

    All in All a really nice pistol for the money.
     
  8. wb_carpenter

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    There is a tab you can grind down to allow them to fall out.

    I have one of these and the first thing i recommend is doing this modification to allow it eject magazines without messing with the safety.
    bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com :: View topic - My new Phoenix Arms HP22

    Without this mod I could not tolerate this gun. with it I love it and shoot it really well.

    I had an issue with the slide cracking because of a frame defect and they replaced it with new(after sending it in twice)
     
  9. cheetah84

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    Thanks, wb_carpenter! That's the beauty of using forums. If you have a problem there is always someone to help you solve it.
     
  10. Mannster

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    This really is a great little gun. I've fired hundreds of rounds, and after the first 50 or so, I haven't had any jams, using a variety of rounds.

    Two mods that are recommended: the slide lock with the magazine in and the ability to drop the magazine instead of pulling (as mentioned above). I found this video very helpful and was able to successfully mod my hp22: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ztkasr6PA&feature=related]YouTube - Phoenix Arms HP22A Disasembly and Modification[/ame]
     
  11. TexasRog

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    It is my belief that if you modify this pistol..like most people do, Including me, and that if you have a mishap like accidently shooting yourself, or someone else, and you have modified it..again like most people do, you can hire all the lawyers in the world and you dont have a leg to stand on because you removed almost all the safetys and redundant systems. You alone are liable. Same if you sell it like that. You are now responsible for anybody else that gets hurt no matter how many hands it goes through. Course it has to be proven I suppose.

    I do like my Phoenix very much with the mods done. I polished the feed ramp and any other areas that slide or rub on other parts. Very reliable with almost any ammo I feed it as long as its reasonably clean and lubed.

    Does anybody carry it for self defense? If so how do you carry? Cocked and locked with safety, Cocked and locked with firing pin safety, both safetys on, or hammer down safety on. I carried mine for a few days cocked and safety on. felt ok with it that way.
     
  12. nfafan

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    I have had great luck with this "cheap little plinker"; what a great buy. Eats everything and asks for more.

    But..

    The slide-mounted firing-pin-block safety will SOON work itself loose, if for no other reason than it being in such a bad location given that is where you grasp the slide to charge the gun.

    The problem will first behave as if the round was a dud. It wasn't; your hammer fell against the safety and not the firing pin.

    After a few "duds" the light will go off and you will see it - a flippy-floppy safety switch blocking the f'pin from the hammer strike.

    AFAIK, there is no user-fix for this for when it hits. Not if, but when.

    You could possibly work something tacky under the switch to hold it to the "fire" position, but again - you have to manipulate the slide in that spot, so it will not last.
     
  13. TexasRog

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    You find a fix for this problem? I have fired about 1,200 rounds in mine, and has only failed to fire twice while breaking in. I polished feed ramp, and everywhere that metal against metal had wear spots. I would bet my life on this gun if I had no other. There is a spring inside for the firing pin safety and I would bet that it is broken. If you use max velocity ammo that may cause the problem. Use 36 grain, 1260-1280 fps, and you wont experience wear problems like this.
     
  14. nfafan

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    No, no fix. I was shooting Fed bulk and Fed bulk "automatch", Win red-box RN, T-bolts, CC Blazer and Mini-Mags. Zero probs whatsoever. This could almost be a defense gun - until I discovered the firing pin safety issue.

    I need to contact Phoenix.
     
  15. TexasRog

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    That entire slide assembly is available for not too much money. Its listed in the owners manuel. Do not have the book in front of me but seemed like it cost about 20 bucks for a new slide assembly. I have the blued gun, but may look nice by putting a polished one on. there is no serial numbers on that piece so you can get it delivered to your door with no ffl.
     
  16. nfafan

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    No, stripped slide is closer to $55.00. They will not sell the f/pin safety parts alone. Guess I have to send the slide back... Hate that I can't use this as it is one of my favorites, a lot nicer to plink with than my Beretta 21.
     
  17. TexasRog

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    You, Sir are correct. Must have been looking at a different part. But I stand by the fact that the pin spring is probably broken. There must be a roll pin extractor to get that part out. It is very small though. I guess I would let the factory fix it. Best of luck on that and keep us posted as to how it came out. Maybe they will just replace the whole assembly. Is it on the long barrel or short one?
     
  18. nfafan

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    Mine is the base pistol with short barrel in the "nickel" look. Despite this minor setback, I'd highly recommend them. I'm sure - based on the Phoenix rep for cust svc - they'll fix me up.
     
  19. TexasRog

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    Im interested to know if after you send it to them, they fix it. Do they send it back directly to you or does it have to go through a FFL person? Being it is not the receiver part with the serial number it could be shipped back directly to you. I have heard that when you ship it to them, dont put Phoenix ARMS on the box. There are people out there who are anti-firearms and will manage to get your part (lost). Just put Phoenix Corp on the label.
     
  20. nfafan

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    I've shipped long-guns - Century WASR and then a Century C93 - for warrnty work and they came back to me at my house.

    I also over-night shipped my Freedom Arms micro-revolver (pre-NAA version) directly to/from Freedom for repairs. All legal.

    Since this is just the slide, and as you said - not the S/Numbered "frame" - this is completely legal.

    And as you said - be vague on the addressing and do NOT indicate on the package what the contents are as they will "get lost" in transit.