Philosophy Thread

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Rentacop, Jan 7, 2018.

  1. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    A look at the growing field of Democrat Presidential Candidates is proof of theory.
     
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  2. Rentacop

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    " I have said that the fundamental cause of a culture's disintegration is the collapse of philosophy, which leaves men without intellectual guidance. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " When philosophy collapses, why are there no thinkers step into the vacuum and rebuild a system of thought on a new foundation ? "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " Only the use of physical force can protect falsehoods from challenge and perpetuate them . "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " The fundamental evil of government grants is that men are forced to pay for the support of ideas diametrically opposed to their own "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " Today, what we see in this country's intellectual field is one of the worst manifestations of political power : rule by favorites, by the unofficially privileged---by private groups with governmental power, but without the governmental responsibility . "
    -Ayn Rand-
     
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  3. Rentacop

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    " The British aristocracy is a politically created caste---an institution abolished and forbidden by the political system of the United States. "
    -Ayn Rand-
     
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  4. Rentacop

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    " By controlling the schools, the 'leaders' perpetuated their dogma and gradually silenced the opposition. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " Two world wars, three monstrous dictatorships---in soviet Russia, NAZI Germany, Red China---plus every lesser variant of devastating socialist experimentation in a global spread of brutality and despair, have not prompted modern intellectuals to question or revise their dogma. "
    -Ayn Rand-
     
  5. Rentacop

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    " A disagreement that does not challenge fundamentals serves only to reinforce them . "
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    " Rule by unofficially privileged private groups spreads a special kind of fear, like a slow poison injected into the culture. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " In business, the rise of the welfare state froze the status quo , perpetuating the power of the big corporations of the pre-income tax era, placing them beyond the competition of the tax-strangled newcomers . "
    -Ayn Rand-
     
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  6. Rentacop

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    " So long as society does not take the ultimate step into the abyss by establishing censorship, some men of ability will always succeed in breaking through . "
    -Ayn Rand-
     
  7. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Progressivism raises its head:
    ellis


    Teddy Roosevelt in his "The New Nationalism" speech in 1910

    "...We grudge no man a fortune in civil life if it is honorably obtained and well used. It is not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community. This, I know, implies a policy of a far more active governmental interference with social and economic conditions in this country than we have yet had, but I think we have got to face the fact that such an increase in governmental control is now necessary...."
     
  8. Rentacop

    Rentacop Well-Known Member

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    Part #7

    " So long as higher education was provided predomominently by private colleges and universities, no problem of unfairness existed ".
    -Ayn Rand-

    " A private school has the right to teach any ideas of its owner's choice, and to exclude all opposing ideas; but it has no power to force such exclusion on the rest of the country. "
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  9. Rentacop

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    "And you had many – John Dewey and so forth – who were enormously influential, influential with another president, by the name of Theodore Roosevelt who obviously preceded Woodrow Wilson, a republican. And these men, these ideologues, these intellectuals, spent their time academically and politically trying to make the case for rejecting the basic principles that are set forth in the declaration of independence. "
    -Mark Levin-
     
  10. Rentacop

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    In 1991, a survey conducted for the Library of Congress and the Book-of-the-Month Club asked club members what the most influential book in the respondent's life was. Rand's Atlas Shrugged was the second most popular choice, after the Bible.
    -Wikipedia-

    "Ayn Rand...in particular, must be cited as providing a philosophical foundation for the case of capitalism, and as being responsible probably more than anyone else for the current spread of pro-capitalist ideas."
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    "The financial crisis of 2007–2008 spurred renewed interest in her works, especially Atlas Shrugged, which some saw as foreshadowing the crisis.[188] Opinion articles compared real-world events with the plot of the novel. "
    -Wikipedia-
     
  11. Rentacop

    Rentacop Well-Known Member

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    Welllll....I tried to apply some Ayn Rand-style reasoning to figure out why so many people today are showing up in the news for doing dumb, suicidal and anti-social things .
    To put it in Dango's terms , I've been looking for clarity .

    If we start with Mike Gallagher's aphorism, " What gets rewarded gets done ", we have a good starting point .
    Maybe a lot of people today don't anticipate a reward for virtues such as kindness, obedience to the law, respect for authority, disciplined behavior, fair play and honesty .
    I imagine that people who get their ideas from television and movies think that playing by the rules gets you nothing but crushing student loan debt, unaffordable health care and higher taxes .
    It isn't hard to think that a person who sees no future worth having might live for the moment, disregard long term consequences and not care much if he dies committing some horrible crime .

    The popular culture sells the idea that rewards go to drugged-up actors, musicians and newsmen . Drug dealers are depicted as winners .

    People who work at honest jobs learn from the media that money need not be earned ; money can be stolen by lawyers and won in " lawsuit lotto " or " jackpot justice " . Money can be made by getting a government job that pays far more than the market value of your work . Money is made by crooked government contractors, by casinos on Indian tribal land, by Internet " influencers " , by game show competitors, by sports figures, by politicians , by lobbyists, by CEOs of big companies, by embezzlers at non-profit corporations and by thug rappers .

    People watch television and see a society of the " haves " and the poor suckers who owe the banks . What incentive does the media show that would make someone aspire to start a small business, to become well loved in his community, to be a model employee, to be a good parent ?

    The welfare state is a big part of the problem . It makes people forget that money represents goods and services, that wealth isn't supposed to be " distributed " and redistributed bur instead earned and created .
    When people lose any sense of control of their lives, of a reward for hard work , of a bright future they cease to value their lives or anyone else's life .
     
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  12. Rentacop

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    " Psychology departments have a sprinkling of Freudians , but are dominated by Behaviorism, whose leader is B.F. Skinner. ( Here the controversy is between the claim that man is moved by innate ideas , and the claim that he has no ideas at all ). "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " Economics departments are dominated by Marxism, which is taken straight or on the rocks, in the form of Keyesianism. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " Sociology departments are dominated by the fact that no one has ever defined what sociology is . "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " English departments are dominated by The New York Times Book Review."
    -Ayn Rand-

    " As a result of today's educational policies, the majority of college graduates are virtually illiterate, in the literal and the wider sense of the word."
    -Ayn Rand-1972
     
  13. Rentacop

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    " It is becoming increasingly harder for an independent mind to get or keep a job on a university faculty---or for the independent mind of a student to remain independent. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " President Johnson was the climax of the policy of rule by consensus---and he fell martyr to the principle that principles are unnecessary. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " as a true pragmatist, Mr. Nixon saw nothing wrong in proposing to save capitalism by providing everyone with a guaranteed minimum income. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " Mr. McGovern announced that he proposes a ' redistribution of wealth '. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " If a man proposes to redistribute wealth, he means explicitly and necessarily that the wealth is his to distribute. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " A nation's productive ---and moral, and intellectual---top is the middle class. "
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    " Human effort, insofar as it is human , is goal-directed. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " There is a silly current expression that describes a capitalist economy as a 'trickling down of wealth ' . Wait till you see what a trickling down of paralysis would do. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " ...Senator Muskie, who was the best exponent of the status quo and managed to convey, no matter what he said, that he was saying nothing. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " People are sick of lies, evasions, uncertainty, broken promises, switching stands, inexplicable contradictions, chronic emergencies, and the inexorable reality of the fact that, under all the grandiose slogans, things are growing worse and worse. "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " ...the Democratic Party has gone past the middle and reached the dead end of the welfare-state road , which it has spent 40 years denying : expropriation and confiscation. "
    -Ayn Rand-
     
  14. Rentacop

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    " The theory of representative government rests on the principle that man is a rational being, i.e., that he is able to perceive the facts of reality, to evaluate them, to form rational judgments , to make his own choices, and to bear responsibility for the course of his life."
    -Ayn Rand-

    " Philosophically, the theory of representative government is in profound conflict with the dominant schools of modern philosophy , which deny the efficacy or existence of reason and of volition . "
    -Ayn Rand-

    " Dictatorship and determinism are reciprocally reinforcing corollaries : if one seeks to enslave men, one has to destroy their reliance on the validity of their own judgments and choices---if one believes that reason and volition are impotent, one has to accept the rule of force. "
    -Ayn Rand-
     
  15. Rentacop

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    Part #8 :

    " Ownership without control is a contradiction in terms : it means property without the right to use it or to dispose of it. "
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    “The present state of the world is not proof of philosophy’s impotence,
    but the proof of philosophy’s power. It is philosophy that has brought men to this state—it is only philosophy that can lead them out. ”

    —Ayn Rand-
    “For the New Intellectual,”
    For the New Intellectual
     
  17. Rentacop

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    " At the end of World War II, Soviet Russia's enemies claimed that 30 million people were doing forced labor in Soviet concentration camps ( and were dying of planned malnutrition, human lives being cheaper than food ) ; Soviet Russia's apologists admit to the figure of 12 million people.
    This is what the Encyclopedia Brittanica refers to as an 'investment in people ' . "
    -Ayn Rand-
     
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    " It is fairly easy to corrupt the concept of representative government in a country that has had no experience of it : people are offered the flattering paraphernalia of ballot boxes, but only one party to vote for. "
    -Ayn Rand-
     
  19. schnuffleupagus

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    Through welfare the government is stealing away the notion of charity.
    With welfare you remove the relationship between those providing help and those receiving help. This is destructive in multiple ways. When you choose to give voluntarily you generate a sense of giving/helping/community, that is lost when the government takes your money from you under threat of force.
    The recipient is no longer getting help from his neighbor or local church, people that he will have to interact with, and be thankful. The recipient is provided help from some faceless governmental organization that does not look for or even want thanks. Taking this opportunity from the recipient is neutering not empowering.
    Another thing that the recipient is denied is shame. Shame is a hugely motivational emotion. Shame can drive someone to make life changes, to enable himself to not only not need help but to pur himself in a position to provide help to others.

    Thanks Renta'
     
  20. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Even worse, it creates a sense of entitlement......Matter of fact, that's what it's called these days: "Entitlements." As in "I'm getting my Entitlements."

    ellis