Petition to Remove Ohio's Concealed Carry Notification Law

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by TekGreg, Sep 1, 2011.

  1. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Criminal Justice Petition: Ohio Governor & Legislation: Remove Ohio's Concealed Carry Notification Law | Change.org

    "With the current language of Ohio law when Ohioans are approached by law enforcement they are required to notify "Promptly". Ohio's law does not define the word "Promptly" and may be taken any way by any law enforcement.

    Only law abiding citizens are allowed to get Concealed Carry Licenses in the state of Ohio. One must have a background check, finger prints taken, photo, & listed on a Public forum. For a good honest citizen to go to jail because they did not inform a police officer in a "Prompt" manner is a shame. They were not criminals before the stop and now would be one because they simply did not talk.

    We are asking the Ohio Governor & its Legislature to come up with an alternative or remove the Notification Law all together."

    We would appreciate anyone who signs it. Thanks in advance.

    PS: Feel free to post a link to this or the petition on any other boards or social networks you have access to.
     
  2. Rarity

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    Signed. Me and my wife were suppose to head over to Ohio, that changed last year.

    Looks like things are changing drastically.

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  3. colmustard

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    Will do, I live in ohio and that rule is very subject to opinion and needs out.
     
  4. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Thanks guys! Every signature gets it that much closer! :)
     
  5. RecklessRegard

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    I am LEO in OH, and with that being said, I like to know when there is a firearm in the vehicle I am stopping.

    But, I have seen instances where not so good cops don't give the subject a chance to say they have a CCW. In fact, I recently watched a dash cam video of a horrific stop that occurred in Canton, OH (I think). The officer was completely domineering, and wouldn't let the subject he stopped get a word in edgewise. On said stop, he later arrested the subject for not telling him he had a CCW.

    Which is why, whenever I approach a vehicle, I say: "Good evening. My name is Officer _______, with _____________ Police Department. I stopped you today for __________. Do you have any legal justification for ____________?"

    At this time, I fully expect someone to mention they have a CCW. It is for my safety and the subjects safety. I can see where the law may be tough for some instances, but with all respects it is for safety. You better believe that I will mention it to an officer if I am stopped.
     
  6. WDbeej

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    Signed & a resident of Ohio
     
  7. WDbeej

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    Here is a question: Do you have to notify that you have a permit or just if you are carrying at that moment?
     
  8. BigByrd47119

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    This was a pretty sad state of affairs. As a matter of fact, another firearm forum/legal group called Ohioans for Concealed Carry filed a lawsuit if I'm not mistaken. Its speculated amongst members there that criminal charges could be following.

    In defense of the officer involved, I think the complainant should have been more forceful in his attempts to notify, but that doesn't make any of this "better."

    Oh yea, signed, and a freedom loving resident of Central Ohio!:)
     
  9. fmj

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    With all due respect....LEOs are simply citizens doing a job. they are NOT the law, nor are they above the law. If you stop someone and are professional and polite you have nothing to worry about from a law abiding citizen carrying concealed. We are checked and double checked before ever getting our CCW license. So the "its a safety thing" argument flys in the face of reason. A convicted violent felon damn sure isnt going to disclose they are packing. When pulled over i EXPECT to be treated with respect. Few things anger me more then an overbearing prick hiding behind a badge!

    Secondly, when you run the plates (if the vehicle is registered in the drivers name) you should know before ever approaching the vehicle if the person has a CCW license or not.

    Lastly, There have been MANY reported instances of people impersonating officers, it is rather easy to buy lights, sirens and uniforms. I carry concealed to protect myself and family from nere-do-wells of all stripes. Be they LEOs in costume or costumed LEOs. Its my ace in the hole. I hate the thought of being forced to tip my hand.

    I guess what i am saying here is, if you are professional and polite you have little worry about from a law abiding citizen carrying concealed. Its the scumbags that DO NOT obey the law you need to worry about!

    **Edit**

    For the record, when pulled over, I am VERY polite and courteous. I do things by the book and do my best to make the stop as least harrowing/stressing/nerve racking as possible for BOTH parties. I am NOT anti LEO, I am pro common sense, PRO freedom!
     
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  10. ArizonaLawman

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    Amen. The guy who told me right up front that he was carrying got a lot of "good guy points" in my book, and if it was a minor traffic beef, he would often just get a warning.

    In Arizona, there is no requirement to notify, but to me it just makes a heck of a lot of sense. Even as a retired officer, I ALWAYS let an officer with whom I am not aquainted know that I am carrying.

    There should be more specificity in the wording though if they are going to have the requirement to notify in the law. I would be happy if, when the subject handed me his driver's license and registration, he also handed me his CCW. But "promptly" is pretty vague.

    I got pulled over in Mansfield, OH about five years ago when driving from Michigan back home to Arizona after a funeral. The city puke (sorry...have to rib the city guys) who stopped me for a burnt out license plate light was likewise happy when he approached my truck, and I had the interior lights on, my license, registration, proof of insurance, AND my CCW all in my hand.

    I just said as he walked up to the window "Howdy, I just want to let you know, I have my permit, and I am armed, it's a Glock 40 and it's in a holster on my right hip. Here is my license, registration, and CCW."

    "I saw your blue line sticker, you a cop?"

    "Yeah, in Arizona. I'm not trying to fade the ticket, I just wanted you to know I was packin'." I never showed my badge until HE asked for it, I only had my CCW in my hand....bad juju to try to badge your way out of a cite...can get you suspended w/o pay in these parts.

    "You got a toasted plate light. Get the (f-bomb) outta here. I'll let the guy shooting radar down the road know I talked to you already. Be safe."

    "Peace. You too, thanks."

    Some of you MIGHT say I got out of a ticket becasue I was a cop...I don't think that is the point here at all. I opened all four windows on my crew cab, and turned on all the interior lights so he could see inside without having to ask. As soon as I started talking, I let him know I had a permit (I didn't show my badge), and what and where I was carrying, so there would be NO surprises. True, he was fishing for DUI's....no one has to tell me that. We have all done it at 0300. Clearly I was only guilty of a burnt out light, and too much coffee. Most traffic whores wouldn't even write THAT cite, especially to an out of state driver who was otherwise good to go.

    What it illustrates is the good common sense to letting a cop know you're armed. It may just earn you good guy points and a verbal instead of a written citation.

    So...let the nice man standing out in the cold, or rain, or heat, or dark, or snow, that you are packing!

    But by all means fight to get that ambiguous bit of language out of your CCW laws. I think it sucks too!
     
  11. RecklessRegard

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    Fully agreed. Too many laws that apply to everyday individuals are ambiguous. There are numbers of laws that are too tough for the typical individual to understand. Why not let normal people understand the law?

    WAIT!!! What am I saying? Laws are written so good people get screwed, and the BG can walk away unscathed. Furthermore, if normal people can understand laws, then they'll be a lot more homeless suits downtown outside of the courthouse, no need for lawyers.:D

    Kidding aside...

    Yes, I know that the scumbags I stop aren't going to say anything, but like I said it is for your safety as well as mine. If a legally carrying individual is carrying on his 6:00, and he leans forward to grab his wallet, I may be able to see that weapon. If I don't know the subject is a CCW holder, then what should I think? Going for the gun or for the wallet?



    Isn't technology grand? Well, it is when it works. The county I work in uses some of the most technologically advanced police equipment available. But, like everything else that uses a computer, it only works "right" a portion of the time. The system uses Sprint 3G, and like regular phone service, my 3G connection cuts in and out depending on where I am. It runs faster, it runs slower, and sometimes it doesn't run at all. So yes, I should be able to tell if the REGISTERED owner has a CCW. By the way, have you ever driven a vehicle that is not registered to you? Your CCW won't show up until I retrieve your driver's license information. Through training, we always expect the worst; is there a reason you didn't mention you're packing?
     
  12. fmj

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    HEHEHE!! Funny story about this very subject.

    One day, I made a legal move to pass a car turning left at a green light. The car behind the van turning left decided to just whip out without a turn signal. Me in my F-150 already had position on said car (Dont sit and act like your turning when your not and if you want the vehicle behind you to know your turning right to go around, use your signal) anywho, this dumb@$$ throws a fit and starts laying on the horn as i go by and thru the intersection. Well, there is a police cruiser stopped at the light and sees this idiot making a scene. LEO pulls me over as if i had done something wrong. I turn off the main thoroughfare onto a side street, turn on my hazzards, turn off the engine and collect my paperwork for inspection. He comes to my window in a huff, blowing $hit and stink at me and generally being a prick hiding behind his badge. (his sawed off arse DAMN sure wouldnt talk to me like that in civilian life) Well, i POLITELY explain the situation, hand off my license and registration, never once mentioning my legally concealed 1911 sitting in the crack between the seats.(Here in IN we dont have disclosure law) When he comes back to the truck with my paperwork he has a COMPLETELY new attitude! All polite and professional like...i.e. came back with his hat in his hand. >>Snicker<< the F-150 is registered in the wifes name:D and she (as of yet) doesnt have her CCW...When he ran my DL i am sure he was informed of my CCW status.:eek:

    Lesson to be learned from this story?? (especially LEO's) Speak politely, remember the golden rule, and be nice to other people as you NEVER know who might have a gun in their back pocket.

    "an armed society is a polite society"
     
  13. ArizonaLawman

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    Why do you think lawyers write the laws...legislators sure don't UNLESS they are a lawyer. They have some slick law school grad rewrite them from a draft.

    Anytime someone failed to let me know they were carrying, my suspicious nature said..."What else are you hiding?"

    The "law abiding citizen" isn't a myth, most folks go about their day trying to and largely succeeding in doing the right thing....but those of you who are of the "the cop is always wrong and always an *******" mentality...we see people at their absolute worst, most of the time. We see the tweaker who just beat his girlfriend's baby half to death because he thought the baby stole his stash of crank. We see the gang banger who just shot up a 7 year old's bedroom because he thought June Bug was sleeping there instead of the second grader who actually was. We see the EMTS transporting the woman who was just raped and beaten nearly to death. We see all those things you DON'T see on TV or if you do, you see the watered down version from a distance.

    Does your second cousin's friend who used to be a cop who once told you that thus and so make YOU an expert on police work? No. Not by a long shot. Years of service (yes...SERVICE because we SERVE the community) doesn't even make us experts. It makes us good cops and survivors/

    Do I trust you? Hell no. I don't know you. Unless I know, and I mean really KNOW you...I don't trust you or your motives until I have known you a LONG time. UNLESS you are another cop, or a firefighter, or an EMT, I won't trust you for a LONG LONG time.

    Would YOU trust someone YOU don't know to walk into your house with a gun? Would you prefer they let you know they are carrying? If you spot their gun, and they haven't let you know, would you think nothing about it?

    I hear or read "cops think they are above the law" all the time. It's horse crap. No one knows the reality of the law better than a street cop does. Lawyers know how to manipulate it, and how to go around it. A cop has his statute book, and his training, and a whole community of critics if he isn't PERFECT all the time, every time. I don't mean negligent, or incompetent. I mean absolutely PERFECT in every way in every single decision. Some people think we wake up in the morning, or before our shift with a stiffy to go out and stomp some poor minority's civil rights, and bust heads, and run and gun. That's crap too. It takes a lot of heart, guts, integrity, and work to EARN our badges. They don't hand them out like candy at Halloween. Extremely rigorous drug, background, and psych testing, and even the top 10% don't always make it past that phase. Then you have an academy that washes out half again. Then there is the year of probation that washes out even more.

    I always did my job the best way I could. I was honest. I worked hard to always do the right thing. And you know what...I gave more breaks to Joe Citizen than I ever did to other officers. You know why? The vast majority of officers drive like grannies when we aren't working...because we see what driving like an idiot can do. We scoop the remains into coroner bags. We see the results when Bill gets a load on at Bar X and runs into a minivan with Soccer Mom and Kids aboard.

    No, cops aren't perfect and some bad ones DO slip through the cracks...but the rest of us soon identify and get rid of them. You know why? They can get US killed too.

    I always hated working with jerks and hardcases. I treated EVERYONE with respect, and required the same in return. I was always professional.

    I also absolutely believe it is the RIGHT of every law abiding citizen to go armed. I thinks it's foolish NOT to go armed. But...just help US help YOU.

    Sorry I hijacked your quote Reckless...a coffee fueled rant.
     
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  14. RecklessRegard

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    Hey, I understand fully. 8 cups of terrible home brewed coffee in me, and I have to work tonight, so you know I will only be adding to the caffine craze the rest of the day. Not much chance for sleep either, I am on Mr. Mom duty til my wife gets home this evening. :(

    And as always, any backup is nice; comforting even... But you know how that goes from your time on the street.
     
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  15. ArizonaLawman

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    A-Freakin-Men Brother!

    I always loved working nights. My friends thought I was nuts. They all tried every trick in the book to get day tour. Not me...I was always most comfortable working nights. I could be home in the morning to get my little one off to school, and be home when she got off the bus, and put her to bed before I went to work. Momma Bear was home with her at night...so she had 24/7 Police Protection....LOL. On the down side....court appearances in the morning. 3 1/2 hr OT minimum, even if we were only there 15 minutes to hear the judge grant a continuance, or the pros announce a plea had been reached.

    The one thing about police work...the store clerks would ALWAYS keep fresh coffee on for me to keep me coming in throughout the night.

    One Chevron station even had a tiny "office", more of a broom closet with a small desk, and an internet connection for guys in that sector to use on meal breaks so we could stay ahead of the paperwork monster.
     
  16. jhbwolverine

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    I signed it. The wording is unclear and needs to be rewritten to be more specific.
     
  17. Marthor

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    Ohio native and will eventually retire there.
    Me sign 2
     
  18. TekGreg

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    Thanks for all the signatures, guys! Every one gets us one step closer to clearing up the longest CCW law in the states.

    Arizona_Lawman, thanks for the insight. I've always done what you describe, but I like the fact that you confirm it's the thing to do. Always love your input!