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I was just sticking my 2 cents worth in another post about the cost of a permit when it got me to wondering about this.

Some states have requirements to have some sort of training to get a personal protection permit (concealed carry or CHL's in other areas ect.) each state calls them something different. My state does not require any training. I can see that it is good in some ways and bad in others. For example: It makes getting a permit quick and easy because it is only a matter of filling out a little paper work. This is mostly personal convienence because taking a class would be near impossible for me given the the fact that I work a 13-1 schedule (work 13 days and have 1 day off) that makes it hard to make a class when I am only off work every other Sunday.
Bad in the fact that some guys are getting permits that should really be getting some classes before they carry a gun. Also like I mentioned in the other post it does not allow for some other states to honor an Indiana permit. Ohio for instence does not honor my permit because our issue system is not similar to thier own issue process in that there is no class or re-class required every few years.

Just curious what others may have to say on this matter.
 

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I'm kind of split on this one myself. My state does not require training either, which is OK for me as I have a military background anyway. The down side to the no training issue is that you'll have some folks with little or no practical experience and training packing. I'm also pretty sure this is an issue other states look at when they determine reciprocity agreements. For example, South Carolina has a training requirement and Georgia does not. Neither state recognizes the others CCW permit - because of the training? Not sure there's a perfect answer for this one...
 

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I was looking at a reciprocity map and SC seems to have alienated a lot of southern states. We share a long border and it seems strange that my GA permit is good throughout the south except there. Not sure it was specifically training but that was probably an issue...
 

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I'm sure there are some people in states that don't require training that could use some, but think about it. Do you know anyone with a CCW that isn't already pretty proficient? Everyone I know (myself included) that has a CCW in Georgia would not need the training.
 

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I was at the Marietta gun show last month and saw a bunch of folks handling CCW type guns that obviously had no experience at all. Waved muzzles all over, couldn't close a slide, couldn't find the mag release, etc. These folks, provided they have a clean record, could be packing. Not that I want any additional infringements on rights, I'm just up in the air on this one...
 

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Alabama all you do is fill out a form at sheriffs department and some counties you can have permint the same day, the fee varies county to county but no training required, mine only runs $7.50 a year
 

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This is a tough one. If one says everyone needs the training to carry, it speaks to the anti-gun side of things when you really think of it. We don't need permits to carry, it is our right from the start. Unfortunately the world we live in has twisted and taken some of our rights, so we have to have the permit to carry. A "necessary evil" I suppose. I remember well the world without "shall issue". My opinion is this (and is my opinion only) that since we have to be permitted to carry, this should come with a training requirement. There should be no requirement to get a permit, period. But since there is, the training aspect is probably a good idea. Although the training is nothing more than a liability drill that you must go through, absolutely inadequate for an individual that does not train in their own to carry responsibly.
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This is a tough one. If one says everyone needs the training to carry, it speaks to the anti-gun side of things when you really think of it. We don't need permits to carry, it is our right from the start. Unfortunately the world we live in has twisted and taken some of our rights, so we have to have the permit to carry. A "necessary evil" I suppose. I remember well the world without "shall issue". My opinion is this (and is my opinion only) that since we have to be permitted to carry, this should come with a training requirement. There should be no requirement to get a permit, period. But since there is, the training aspect is probably a good idea. Although the training is nothing more than a liability drill that you must go through, absolutely inadequate for an individual that does not train in their own to carry responsibly.
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So if there should be no requirements to get a permit, why do you think there should be training? Why should there be a requirement for training with a permit, but no requirement if a permit wasn't needed?
 

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It is an issue that has pit falls on either side. There is no real answer. I myself do not support the idea of the trainning classes. It seems to me that they are more or a way for the state to cover it's *** on the liability issue. But the fact is that there are a number of people that have no buisseness with a gun much less a permit to carry it. I know a few of them. The training classes would not eliminate them as permit holders anyway. Problably only natural selection can do that. As Hillbilly68 stated "it speaks to the anti-gun side of things when you really think of it" and gives the state an excuse in the future to say that the training is to costly and use that arguement to eliminate the permit altogether. Sorry if I sound a little anti big brother but I do not trust our goverment. They have to much control of my life as it is. If you read Ohio's rules for example it seems clear that they are useing the training aspect to limit the reciprocicity of the permits with other states and discourage citizens to from getting permits in the first place. With so many states like Ohio that have been anti gun for so many years and now are starting to give it's citizen's right's to thier defence, it just seems to me that they are not doing it with out catches that work for themselves. Perhaps to have permits issued at the federal level, but one could only imagine the kind of hoops that we would have go through and the cost would most likely be prohibative.
 

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If you want to carry a gun around me and my faily, and you are a law-abiding individual with no criminal record or history of substance abuse, I'm fine with it but I still want some proof that you know how to handle and shoot it safely and have an understanding of when you can and cannot discharge it. That's just common sense in the real world. If we're supposed to be more responsible and law-abiding than the average citizen, as gunnies love to claim, then it's impossible to argue against allowing untrained individuals or those with shady pasts into our midst.
 

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IMO, the old days had fathers that would teach the children how to use firearms safely. Since in many cases that does not happen anymore, some sort of training should be required. Hell, make it a middle school class. :)

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This thread is 3 years old. But its still relevent.

Study after study has shown that states which have mandatory training have the same amount of negligent discharge as states with no training requirment. It all boils down to individual responsibility.

Training requirements just throw roadblocks in the way of liberty. If left to their own devices people will and do seek training.

Im not totally against permiting as it gives the police and citizen a means of quickly proving the individual is probably not a prohibited person.
 

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I think once you get a background and you PASS then it should be up to you how you want to carry it and another thing I dont like is the WAITING PERIOD in WIS.it 48 hrs and I thought this INSTENT CHECK was to be in place for handguns in the early 90's wasent that a bill that the NRA had passed?.
 

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The waiting period thing makes no sense to me. Ive already got a safe full of handguns...
 

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There is no way to slice mandated training and it not be an infringement on your, my, everybody's rights.
I've done a lot of searching, and can find exactly zero evidence that mandatory training decreases negligence. IIRC some States' mandatory training is a written test that has no reqirement to show competence manipulating a firearm.
Mandated training is another .gov control. Another hurdle to jump. Nothing more.
 

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As I said in other threads:
I would consider myself more of a "purist".

The 2nd Amendment already gives us the right to carry openly or concealed. Whether we actually DO carry openly or concealed... or carry at all should be up to us, as individuals. I support ANY legislation that gives BACK our RIGHTS, whether it aligns with my preference or not.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say things like, "The right to bear hunting rifles only", or "Right to bear concealed handguns", etc. It says our right to bear ARMS shall not be infringed. It doesn't say we can't have machine guns, or silencers, etc.

The fact that we have to ask "permission" to carry concealed here in Texas is appalling to me. The fact that open carry isn't "allowed" is equally appalling.

I'm not championing the cause of open carry because I WANT to open carry... I'm just supporting chiseling away the laws that took our Constitutionally guaranteed rights away.
All that said, I believe training should be mandated by PARENTS, not the government. Parents should be teaching their kids firearm safety AND marksmanship. Of course, that means the PARENTS should already know because they should've been taught by THEIR parents.

Since the majority of today's society has gotten away from this country's heritage, unfortunately, most parents don't have a clue.

The good news is there is a grass-roots organization to help restore America's hertiage: Project Appleseed Home

Parents who don't attend with their children are just bad parents.
I disagree. I'm a hunter's ed instructor, and very little of the class is about "gun safety"... it's more about being an ethical hunter and obeying the hunting laws. Not saying there's NO "gun safety", but it's not enough of what *I* would consider to be sufficient to truly teach people to truly be safe with guns.

Law enforcement is a profession of arms. Soldiers, also, receive mandatory firearms training because they are professionals. Both are PAID to take up arms.

...the PRIMARY reason cops are required to receive firearms training is for LIABILITY reasons. The majority of agencies with less than 25 officers only provide the minimum man hours and ammo. It's only the larger agencies that will fork out a LITTLE extra for their officers. For example, in the last SOP I read from El Paso County S.O. only allows 50 rounds a month for their deputies to practice with on the range.

It's time the government stopped trying to "protect us from ourselves". If an individual wants to take on the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY of carrying, then he/she should take on the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to get proper training. If something bad happens because they were negligent, then punish them. Don't force the rest of us to PAY for our rights. The 2nd amendment doesn't guarantee us the right to bear arms if we pay the proper fees and take the required training... it simply guarantees us the right. Period.
It's not like we're beating a dead horse around here... :cool:
 

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18 months of mandatory military service for every American Citizen at age 18.
Wallah... everyone is trained. :D
...Although the going trend is to abolish mandatory conscription like France and Germany have done fairly recently.


Here's another idea. Add firearm safety training as a class in public highschools... everyone gets trained. :cool:
 
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