Pellet Comparison

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by hareebrownbeest, Jan 5, 2014.

  1. hareebrownbeest

    hareebrownbeest New Member

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    I know this is a "gun forum" but i think the newer pellet rifles can compare to a .22 rifle (almost) anyways i compared three different pellets and was surprised with the results.

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    This was a 5 shot group at 25 yrds. With the Daisy pellets. About $8 for 500

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    This was the same with Gamo lethal pellets. $20 for 100!

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    And this was with Beeman pointed pellets, $6.99 for 500. This is by far my favorite and most accurate and the cheapest. Go figure? They also fit nice and snug in the rifle.

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    Gamo silent cat. 1250 feet per second.
     
  2. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    We do have some air gun enthusiasts as members.
     

  3. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    What was the range? And is that what you used for a rest?

    See, I'm really wanting to get into airgunning, but I just don't know. I'd want something that I could gold at least a 2 inch group with at 50 yards.
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    The standard .177 pellet rifle can be incredibly accurate at close range. And CAN have enough energy for small game (rabbit/ squirrel)

    HOWEVER- energy is a function of mass x speed. and neither the .177 nor the .22 pellets come close to .22 LR.

    Muzzle energy, standard .22 LR is about 108 ft lbs. 40 grain bullet

    .177 pellet- about 33 ft lbs. 9.6 gr bullet
    .22 pellet- about 45 ft lbs. 14.3 gr bullet


    Yes, there are PCPs that fire a major caliber bullet and can drop a deer. We are not discussing those. Yes, have seen the vid of a pig being dropped with a pellet at close range. Don't count on that. Will not end well.
     
  5. hareebrownbeest

    hareebrownbeest New Member

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    This was my rest and it was a bit over 25 yards. See targets in the distance?

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    I also had some of these guys up on the hill at the same distance. These were hit with the Beeman pellets. I just like the fact that ammo is available and i dont have to drive to go shooting.
     
  6. hareebrownbeest

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    Yeah definitely not the same power/energy. I like the challenge though of hitting a pigeon at 100 yards. We had an issue with pigeons in our neighborhood and i believe i offed their "leader"if you will.

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    This was the point i took my shot from. Pigeon was on the top peak of the roof. 1 shot kill. Ever since then there has been zero pigeons in the neighborhood. Kinda bumed about it:)
     
  7. John_Deer

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    You didn't compare the pellet that gives you the best bang for the buck, the Benjamin Premiere.
     
  8. hareebrownbeest

    hareebrownbeest New Member

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    Going to have to try that. The Gamo came with the PBA (platinum ballistic alloy) and they are loud but not accurate. The Gamo lethal although does hit hard and penetrates deep.

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    The Gamo lethal went through this metal like nothing. It was .04 mm thick. The others tested hit hard but did not penetrate.
     
  9. phideaux

    phideaux Active Member Supporter

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    Top rifle is Hatsan 86 Sniper .177 cal
    Bottom rifle is Ruger Air Magnum .22 cal.
    Pistol is Ruger Mark1 with extensive trigger job.

    Bottom pic is 3 of ten wabbits taken in 3 weeks, back in the Spring of this year.

    .22 cal is a quicker kill, even though the .177 did 1 shot kills.

    Most wabbits were taken at 30 yds average, 3 were taken at 45 and 50 yards.
    All were taken 1 shot 1 kill. Head shots.

    Both these Rifles will shoot a 1/2" group at 30 yards, with the right pellet. Both rifles ,and the pistol shoot Crosman Premier domed pellets the best.18 gr in .22 and 10.6 gr in .177. Artillery hold while firing is essential, for consistant accuracy grouping.

    Every gun has a specific pellet it shoots best. Find the right pellet for your gun ,and it should shoot <1" groups at, and out to 35 yards.

    I went thru 12 or more shapes/configuration, brands, weight/grain to find most accurate. The heavier the pellet ,the more accurate,

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  10. hareebrownbeest

    hareebrownbeest New Member

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    Ive been thinking about getting a .22 cal pellet rifle. What do you like to shoot between the .177 and .22?
     
  11. phideaux

    phideaux Active Member Supporter

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    It really depends on what Im shooting.

    Possum, .22
    Pond turtles ,the .22.
    Rabbits ,the.22

    Paper targets, reactive targets, the .177.

    As I said both are deadly accurate (with right pellet) ,and both are fun, the .177 pellets are a little cheaper for plinking. Therefore the grandkids get their training with .177.

    Jim
     
  12. ninjatoth

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    Pellets can have as many variation depending on use as firearm ammunition, and it really does all make a difference on what you're doing with it. A .22 is a good caliber and will provide maximum energy, but it's range is a little limited and I feel as if you have more options with .177. I used to drive 7.9 grain pointed .177 pellets downrange from a 1,000 fps gun and hit an 8" frying pan every shot, about an 8" drop, as where a wadcutter wouldn't even come close to doing that, however if I wanted to take out a really small animal at close range, a wadcutter would drop them instantly, as where the pointed would zip right through and leave a wounded animal, but the pointed .177 are good on raccoon and opossum close up. I found that the best .177 all around option are the domed or domed hollowpoints, they provide nearly the range of a pointed(but not quite) and nearly the stopping power of a wadcutter(but not quite) all in one design. I have messed around with every type of .177 and .22 pellet on the market from beeman, to rws, crosman, daisy, and a dozen other brands and variation, and have found cheap ol' Crosman to be about the best in consistency all around. I used to like to wash my pellets first too, takes off a lot of the lead dust.
     
  13. John_Deer

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    I got rid of some pests for a friend that lives in Raleigh with a pellet rifle. All the shots were close range head shots. I managed to kill everything from large rat to fox with a 177 cal crosman phantom. The phantom will go supersonic with a drop of silicone lube but accuracy really falls off at supersonic velocity.

    My favorite paper target has eight 1" rabbits on it. If I support the gun I can hit the 1" rabbits in the head quite often at 20 yards. Unsupported I am lucky to hit the 1" rabbit at 20 yards.
     
  14. unclebear

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    Me i hunt a few things with my crossman xt storm. Rats, birds rabbits heck even been know to shoot a few koones with it. Love it even when ammo for my rifles is hard to find pellets are easy to find. Mine is .177 and im picky with my shots so i drop them 90% of the time. 22 cal hits harder and tend to drop them easier but the .177 gets the job done too.
     
  15. Triumphman

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    Been looking at some Pellet Rifles, but still haven't decided. Whether to go with Beeman or Benjamin. Too many choices.
    How 'bout a 46 caliber Girandoni like Lewis & Clark used on their expedition? That would drop a Deer. 20 shot to boot before going back to pumping up the tank.
     
  16. hareebrownbeest

    hareebrownbeest New Member

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    I have so much fun plinking in the back yard. Ive made several types of targets from paper to plastic army men. I made a couple out of aluminum that spin when hit and the metal on metal sounds satisfying. Pellets are pretty cheap (depending on what you want them for) and like said, readily available. Ive knocked a opossum clean off my wall with a shot from about 20 feet. Haven't had any come by in awhile. My dog usually alerts me when they're on the wall.
     
  17. John_Deer

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    I bought a benjamin 22 cal pellet rifle a couple years ago. The scope kept drifting. The scope came with the pellet rifle I thought it was junk. Then I discovered that virtually every bolt and screw was loose. I got some locktite and tightened all the screws. Less than a week after all that the barrel came loose on the gun. I took it back for a refund after that. I paid $260 for a pellet gun that fell apart in less than 1,500 rounds.

    This is the pellet gun I bought and returned.
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  18. hareebrownbeest

    hareebrownbeest New Member

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    Wow thats too bad, good looking rifle. The scope my gamo came with is okay (for now). I might upgrade with one of these


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    I wish:)
     
  19. tuck2

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    I have spring powered Beeman R-1 17 Cal, and Beeman GS 1000 22 Cal which will put down cottontail rabbits at up to 35 yards with a lung shot. But for indoor shooting I like shooting the pump up Benjamin 22 Cal , Sheridan 20 Cal, and Benjamin 22 Cal- Sheridan 20 Cal models made by Crosman.