Panera Bread bans Firearms carrying Citizens

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by tinbucket, Feb 13, 2016.

  1. tinbucket

    tinbucket Well-Known Member

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    Western Journalism carries one report of the policy.
    They want to insure their anti Gun Patrons feel secure.
    On Feb 10, a Deputy Sheriff was shot aand killed in an Adbington, Maryland Panera Bread. Despite it being a "Gun free Zone."
    As per Bretbart also.
    At the same time Sonic, Chipolte, and Jack in the Box announced they were gun free zones.
    Bloomberg's groups are having a result.
    Links don't work. Anyone can post links and take this post down.
     
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  2. Dallas53

    Dallas53 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    it's not a new policy for them. they have had it since September of 2014.

    http://100percentfedup.com/panera-b...te-two-md-sheriffs-shot-and-killed-in-panera/

    and it's within their rights to prohibit guns on their premises if that is what they choose to do. if a person doesn't like the policy, they are not obligated to do business with them.
     

  3. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I've never been inside of one, bit since watcing their ads on TV, they seem to try to appeal to the " liberal health food-dope smoker" crowd, so I never had a desire to go to one.:rolleyes:
     
  4. jeffm

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    I've been to one once, at the time the girlfriend wanted to go, it was some of the worst French onion soup I have ever had.
     
  5. kfox75

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    Even though it is old news, I have to agree with Locutus on this. Never had the urge to go there, and likely never will. I prefer a little grease with my dining experience, not whole grain, gluten free [email protected] If it can't kill you, what's the point in eating it? :D
     
  6. microadventure

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    yet another business I would not patronize does not want my business.
     
  7. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Well Panera, Chipolte and Buffalo Wild Wings are definitely on my do not support list. There are no Jack in the Box franchises around here that I am aware of, but will be added to the list also.

    I do not go to any of them. Probably will not start anytime soon. Maybe when they see us supporting the firearm friendly establishments they will get the hint. I have been known to go in and tell them if a sign is posted that I do not feel safe as I do not see armed security, and I leave. A friend of my Son's owns three Jersey Mike's sandwich franchises. He says feel free to carry. He figures it is as good as having police in the store.
     
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  8. Dallas53

    Dallas53 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    just to be clear, were the officers unarmed? because if they weren't the whole point is well, kind of moot, don't you think?

    so i'm not sure how them having an no guns policy affects police officers. maybe you can explain it to me.

    and while a no guns policy may be relevant to such places as Chipolte, and JIB, all the Sonic's I hae been to are drive-ins. am I suppose to leave my gun at home before driving in? because if i'm in my vehicle and never leave it, how would they know if i'm carrying a gun? just curious as to what your take is on this.
     
  9. kfox75

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    One of the big things to keep in ind is that these decisions are made by the BOD in Corporate HQ, and in a lot of these cases, it is over the political 2A $#!t storm caused by the fallout of a Pro-2A group vs. Anti-2A Group pi$$ing contest, which the company is put in the middle of. lind of a "Settle it yourself, and keep us out of it." reaction, IE Starbucks, Chipotlle, Sonic, and a handful of other places. Now, this is wht we always seem to wind up on the losing end of this.

    We are still in the minority.

    If 65 to 70% of all Americans carried, guess what. The signs would read something closer to the following:

    "In order to keep our prices reasonable, and our patrons happy, we allow OC and CC at this establishment. If you are offended by this policy, are afraid of firearms, or are just a Liberal minded Anti-2A, Load that should have been contained in a rubber, as you are wasting our air and resources, please feel free to use the drive thru, or just take your Protectionist, Pray the cops get there before i'm killed, Hoplophobic @$$ elsewhere.

    Thank You.

    The Management.

    Notice to all who come here intending to try and hold the drive thru employee up. Our drive thru staff only carries a maximum amount of $100.

    In Ammunition."

    Until those times, there are plenty of other Pro-2A places to choose from, and there's always the drive thru, or in the Case of Sonic, Car Hop Service. Get more folks to carry, then try the Boycott idea if you really want them to feel it. Given that less than 33% of their customer base Nationally carries, they won't miss us unless we all do it, and even then Hoplophobes leaving the places we can carry, will make up for the loss of our dollars.

    just the simple truth of the matter.

    It kind of works like this Dallas. In your car, you are still on Your Property, even if it's not covered under the Castle Doctrine. If you go through the drive Thru, you are a Patron, but you are not entering the establishment. Hence the reason it's legal to leave your EDC in your car at the Courthouse, as it's secured in your property. Same with Sonic, as it's a drive in, their press release back in 2012 (I think. Not entirely sure on the year they went GFZ), their policy only covers carry Inside their buildings, not the drive in, drive thru, or parking lot.

    When the wife and i rode the bikes out to Ohio to go to a Sonic near Cleveland last year, we were armed, and remained so the whole time we were there. We stayed at the area we parked the bikes in, and walked up to the window to place our order. We then ate at the tables by the bikes, CC the entire time we were there. Since we never entered the building it's self, we did not violate the policy Corporate put in place. In fact, we never even looked at the door, to check for a Gunbuster sign, (Which has FOL in OH.) as we never intended to enter said building.

    i know that more than one person on here will jump on my $#!t for going there, and giving our money to an anti-2A business, but it was Our Anniversary, and it was where SHE wanted to go for it. We eat out less than once per month, and decided to go there as she had never been to one, and i hadn't been to one in over 20 years. It's not like we spend over a grand a year eating there.

    As to LE in GFZs, In most places LEOSA allows them to carry where most can't, and the laws giving FOL in the states that have it for GFZs, list LE as an exception (Even schools if there for Official Reasons) to the Ban. under LEOSA, they are also required to prove that they are still Qualified to Carry to have such status.
     
  10. Sniper03

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    I guess they would never know!

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  11. partdeux

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    As long as we continue rationalizing their "request" and not boycott these wussy CEO's then we will continue losing.

    Why were police officers there? A gun ban is a gun ban!
     
  12. rjd3282

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    It's concealed, who cares what their stupid policies are?
     
  13. Balota

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    My gun range has a large stock of business cards that they maintain. They allow people to take a handful anytime they want. They include their logo and website in small print on the bottom of the back of the card. The rest is dedicated to explaining to a business owner why the ex-patron handing him the card won't be back.
     

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  14. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards. Staff Member Admin Moderator Lifetime Supporter

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    As I recall the Sonic ban started in response to an anti-gun liberal complaining to Sonic about some people open carrying at the tables outside. Sonic started by asking patrons not to open carry at the tables. Ultimately, asking informally was not enough and corporate had to establish a policy. They can't prevent you from carry in your car. But they probably can prevent you from carrying (at least openly) on their tables.
     
  15. kfox75

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    Could be the case. I'll have to look into it further.

    edit: nope. Just inside, and it was in 2014, after MDA had a $#!t fit over members of OCT carrying long guns inside the locations. It also states that they will continue to follow local laws on the carry of handguns at the locations. So we could have gone in if the door had no sign. Given the fact that we were in OH, we chose to stat outside, and never went to the door, plus we were CCing.

    kind of funny to think about it, but so many are up in arms about it still, and they are not even saying anything about an outright ban. All they ask is that you keep it out of sight. maybe folks need to look into the Full Story before jumping to conclusions.

    Here's a link to the last one I looked it up on.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2014/05/30/sonic-chilis-no-guns/9789685/

    google it for more sources.

    And I had a thought earlier on OC, that has led me to a question. Might change a few minds on it being a good or bad thing, and not meant to target anyone who does either. What happens when an OC is not spotted as anything more than a warm body during a hold up, from the Goblin's perspective, but all the regulars and employees, who have seen what's on the strong side every time that patron comes in, and all of them are counting on you to act? Or worse, your carry side is facing the goblin, and you have been made, while they have the drop on you?

    Just a little food for thought is all. OC or CC, at leat they are carrying, and that puts us all in the same boat.
     
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  17. tinbucket

    tinbucket Well-Known Member

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    My take? The Officers names were published widely. I don't have them bookmarked or memorized.
    As far as drive through, well I doubt they will coem out and shoo you away or call the cops on you.
    however I won't go into the restaurant, especially in Maryland, and especially if i was in a uniform. It would seem, from the facts, and the whom the shooter was, a Radical, that he choose,, to murder the officer, knowing, it was in a gun free zone, and no one would hinder them, or at least the chances were slim. Or at least the case can be made for it.
    We are responsible for our own defense, wherever that is.
    First ofo I would make every effort to avoid travel through the Democratic Socialist Maryland now even though there are some spectacular sites and sights, I would not eat at a restaurant I perceived there could be a possible, assault, such as that socialist environment where I could not defend myself. Everyone says it is legal for them to take away your ability to defend yourself, to eat there, then I will eat elsewhere.
    A ridiculous price, for a nickle bag, of chips and a sandwich, and flat soda, that taste like bubble gum. I won't go to any, of them again.
    I can do that you know; go elsewhere.
     
  18. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards. Staff Member Admin Moderator Lifetime Supporter

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    Exactly. And that's how the free market is supposed to work. Businesses provide some service or product. People decide whether to spend their money there. Businesses that make a satisfactory product or perform satisfactory service get rewarded. If part of their service is to disarm someone who wants to be armed, chances are good that someone will object. Their means of expressing that objection include taking their business elsewhere. If you want to try to change that business owners mind, you can use other methods such as the cards I posted earlier. Or sit down and talk with the owner.
     
  19. tinbucket

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    As far as getting more people to carry. I caan agree with that. Problem is state and local Governments are making it impossible or prohibitive due to cost and requirements.
    I have coverage on cards etc becaus every bit, of our personal information was hacked. I am somewhat concerned, at times.
    In Tn we have a tax to carry. Life tiem it is 500.00. I have forgotten what it is a year then there isa couple hundred dollars for training.
    Governor's and State Dept of Education head, and State Safety Commissioner's idea, to make money and make sure stupid Tennesseans, are regulated to the tune of 111,000,000.00.
    As a 100% DAV and SS Beneficary I find it hard to find those funds, necessary to exercise my Constitutional Individual Right.
    Somebody wanted the info for some purpose and some people don't like what we do and would love to have a list of us.
    So guess what I might carry anyway.
    Might talk to Sheriff but he thinks I'm half crazy, not really.
    We have what we have by pinching pennies and are in no definition wealth as some think. This is what stops many. Money, being put on some list, and having to violate ethics by turning our Right into a Priviledge, as our Governor, who refers to Tennesseans as "Cheap Labor" to Businesses and Buddies among other things, across the Country..
     
  20. Dallas53

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    through all of your rambling and mumbling around the question, you still never answered the question! i'll do it for you.

    it is their corporate policy, and has been since, late of 2014. now the question I asked, were the officers armed or not? yes they were armed. it would not have mattered one bit about their company policy on guns. the guy was fruit loop with grudge against cops and armed. the policy pertains to citizens, not those of law enforcement.

    an I fully understand the corporate policy of Sonic and that my vehicle is an extension of my home under state law regarding firearms. not all Sonic's have tables for outside dining here in Texas.