Pakistan Orders Troops to Fire On U.S.

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  1. user4

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423104,00.html



    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — DEVELOPING: Pakistan's army spokesman says its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border.

    Pakistani officials issued sharp protests to Washington after helicopters ferried U.S. commandos into Pakistan's South Waziristan region on Sept. 3 for a highly unusual ground attack into a militant stronghold.

    Army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas told The Associated Press that, after the raid, the military told its field commanders to prevent any similar raids.

    Abbas said that if it was clear that troops had crossed the ill-defined border into Pakistani territory, either on the ground or in the air, that troops should "open fire."

    He said, "No incursion is to be tolerated."

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  2. mpoirier22114

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    i don't think that would be a good idea on there part, after all our troops can defend themselves if fired upon and we're better armed than they are:D
     

  3. RL357Mag

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    Next time terrorists retreat across the Pakistani border, we should notify Pakistani military and give the coordinates of the terrorists. If they don't respond and kill or apprehend the terrorists, we should blow the living sh!t out of the entire area, and notify the Pakastani Gov't that Pakistan will now be considered a hostile nation and that this is our new policy. If they won't work with us than we will work alone.
     
  4. bkt

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    What he said.
     
  5. pioneer461

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    Pakistan is supposed to be an ally in the W.O.T., but they sure don't act as we would expect an ally to act. The leaders may be unofficially supporting us, but they have to talk tough to satisfy the Pakistani people / voters / warlords.

    I'm not sure how far we want to push the Pakistanis, lest we forget, they do have nuclear weapons. Tough part of the world, no easy solutions.

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  6. user4

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    That's an excellent thought. I was starting to feel a bit twitchy about what our response should be. Everyone knows that OBL is hiding in Pakistan. If they wont help us get him, should they not be added to the "friends of terrorists" club?
     
  7. bkt

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    Bear in mind that with Musharraf's departure last month, our relationship with Pakistan has changed.
     
  8. RL357Mag

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    Lot's of people have nuclear weapons - should we really be thinking as Liberals and appeasing everyone that poses any resistance? Or should we be more concerned about doing what must be done - at any costs. Seem's to me that "cowering" from a fight is what the world now expects from us. Reagan is rolling in his grave..
     
  9. Dillinger

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    I have to say, I am kind of with RL here. Pakistan may have nukes, but they can't just keep getting away with whatever the hell they want depending on what way the wind blows at the moment.

    Give them an inch now and what will happen in a few years? What have we learned with the 8 long years of appeasement from King Klinton?

    You know, I believe that part of the world to be fairly good for long range sight distances.

    Perhaps we could station some guys "NEAR" the border with the ability to reach out and touch someone. :rolleyes: You know, should any of the remaining deck of 52, or anyone from Interpol/FBI's Most Wanted happens to poke their heads out...

    JD
     
  10. dragunovsks

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    I say screw them, if they weren't providing a safe haven for terrorists then we wouldn't have to do it.
     
  11. RL357Mag

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    You know JD, I have often thought about this same thiing! Why the hell can't we post snipers along the border? I would love to volunteer for this type of duty - give me a Barret .50 and let me have some fun!!! That Canadian Sniper in the video link I posted a while back was in the same terrain - granted, he was a professional, but I have a burning desire! That should count fo something...
     
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  12. ScottG

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    OBL is dead.
     
  13. user4

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    Simple AND effective. I likey. No doubt the CIA already has plans to employ India for the task of inciting a conflict. Massive overkill if you ask me.
     
  14. Dillinger

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    RL - With your service to country already under the belt, I would be glad to act as a spotter for you and fund half the Chey Tac .408 with the Intervention System to make sure the job gets done right. :D I've never known a Marine that couldn't shoot. We just need "approval" to avoid charges....

    I am telling you, reach out and whack a few fools who think they are "safe" behind the borders and watch ranks close in a hurry. Suddenly the short range "attack and gets" will have to become LURPs and anyone with any history knowledge knows the body count on that kind of operation.

    JD
     
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  15. Dillinger

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    Military snipers are the most cost effective means of "engaging" the enemy.

    Let me know when you have some time on your hands, I can point you to some great reads about HOW effective they can be when properly utilized...

    JD
     
  16. cpttango30

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    The heck with snipers. We need 24/7 armed predator drones flying along the border with order to shoot anyone go to or comming from paki or afgan. Let them shoot at Predators all they want. We can build more.

    OHHHH paki has some nukes who the hell do you think has more? us or them? We do we have more and better nuks. We still have chemical and bio weapons incase we don't want to wast a nuke on a villiage with a few cows and carts.

    OBL is not in Paki he is far far away from their.
     
  17. gorknoids

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    Pakistan will ***** and moan, but they know the deal.

    "Achmed, are those American troops I see crossing the border?"
    "Why....yes they are, Abdul!"
    "Okay, you ride the donkey halfway back to camp, and light these firecrackers just like I showed you. In twenty minutes, we'll catch up to you, we'll all return to camp together and claim a great victory for Allah."
     
  18. BigO01

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    Actually JD the most effective way to engage a Muslim is to wait till they pray and then just mow them down .

    I was given that advice from an unusual yet reliable source a former Russian grunt who served in Afghanistan .

    I worked at a chemical company that the owner employed this guy from Latvia as an independent contractor for major construction work at his plants around the country .

    His English was so so but when I asked him if he did construction in his home country he told me he was either in the army and then a professional thief because the economy sucked so bad LOL . I then asked if he was taught in their army and he said No just killing is all I did in Afghanistan , we wait till they prayed on their little rugs and just kill them , they wouldn't fight back just die praying .

    I guess we are having such a hard time over there because our troops have a problem with this tactic .
     
  19. Boris

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    Although I agree with the comments here on certain Pakistani elements actively working against Coalition Forces in the Tribal Region (I might also say they also have little control), it's still their country and Pioneer is right.

    It would be arrogant to say their Army and not up to a confrontation, they are extremely well equiped, trained, motivated and experienced. To provoke unnecessarily, the possibility of an incident where US and Pakistani forces where to engage would be more of the 'gung ho' politics that have gotten us this far. For the moment it would be best to regard them as friends, as we have very little of them in the region, for the moment lets stick to a political dialog and a little less of airstrikes into Pakistani territory that mistakenly kill sixty odd civillians. We just can't afford the press on incidents like this, because it's these people who once supporting the Coalition will be able to bring this episode to a close, only through the active cooperation of the people in this region will we be able to defeat the Taliban.

    Bigg001: Our troop levels are still below of those the Soviets deployed in Afganistan and they still got their arse's kicked so perhaps we may conclude that it didn't work.........
     
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  20. Dillinger

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    Disturbing. But okay, I see your point. However, one well placed round is still cheaper than half a mag per body. :p

    JD