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I just read an article making this claim.
Now, PA issues non-res CCW permits but only if you have a similar permit from your resident state.
Way to keep the streets of Philly safe!!!
 

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Actually it won't because concealed carry isn't allowed in Philly in the 1st place.
 

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Actually it won't because concealed carry isn't allowed in Philly in the 1st place.
Not true. Philly was mandated by The Courts to follow PA's "shall issue" statutes. The only difference between Philadelphia County and the rest of the state is the requirement that you obtain a CCW to open carry. What the new AG is restricting is the use of another state's non-resident CCW by PA residents as their "primary" CCW. Many states already require residents to obtain a CCW but honor a non-resident CCW for others. For example, nothing I have read so far restricts my concealed carry status in PA although I am a New Jersey resident with both a Utah and Florida CCW. Actually the only places around here that I cannot carry are NY and NJ.
 

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Not true. Philly was mandated by The Courts to follow PA's "shall issue" statutes. The only difference between Philadelphia County and the rest of the state is the requirement that you obtain a CCW to open carry. What the new AG is restricting is the use of another state's non-resident CCW by PA residents as their "primary" CCW. Many states already require residents to obtain a CCW but honor a non-resident CCW for others. For example, nothing I have read so far restricts my concealed carry status in PA although I am a New Jersey resident with both a Utah and Florida CCW. Actually the only places around here that I cannot carry are NY and NJ.
In the article the Attorney General Kathleen G. Kane states: ""If you cannot get a permit in Pennsylvania, then you should not have a gun in Pennsylvania," Kane, the first Democrat elected to the post, said in the announcement at a recreation center in crime-plagued North Philadelphia."

As I am not a resident of PA and reside in NJ which is a "May Issue" state, and I have a non-resident FL CCW. I understood her comment to mean that; my FL non-res CCW is not honored because; since NJ isn't issuing me a CCW I couldn't get a PA non res-CCW, and I am a non resident of the state in which I hold a CCW (FL). It is purposefully vague or am I reading more into it than I need to be?
 

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In the article the Attorney General Kathleen G. Kane states: ""If you cannot get a permit in Pennsylvania, then you should not have a gun in Pennsylvania," Kane, the first Democrat elected to the post, said in the announcement at a recreation center in crime-plagued North Philadelphia."

As I am not a resident of PA and reside in NJ which is a "May Issue" state, and I have a non-resident FL CCW. I understood her comment to mean that; my FL non-res CCW is not honored because; since NJ isn't issuing me a CCW I couldn't get a PA non res-CCW, and I am a non resident of the state in which I hold a CCW (FL). It is purposefully vague or am I reading more into it than I need to be?
The word cannot makes a bit of sense--BUT the ones who want a handgun & don't want a carry permit shud throw out a big ole screw him!
 

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In the article the Attorney General Kathleen G. Kane states: ""If you cannot get a permit in Pennsylvania, then you should not have a gun in Pennsylvania," Kane, the first Democrat elected to the post, said in the announcement at a recreation center in crime-plagued North Philadelphia."

As I am not a resident of PA and reside in NJ which is a "May Issue" state, and I have a non-resident FL CCW. I understood her comment to mean that; my FL non-res CCW is not honored because; since NJ isn't issuing me a CCW I couldn't get a PA non res-CCW, and I am a non resident of the state in which I hold a CCW (FL). It is purposefully vague or am I reading more into it than I need to be?
Here is the full text...does not mention any states or residencies other than PA and FL, time will tell what they do with non-PA and non-FL residents. No PA will not issue us a non-resident permit due to NJ's F'd up laws but nothing I read here indicates that non-PA residents are impacted for now but that could be wishful thinking on my part.

The Attorney General of Pennsylvania has entered into a modification of the current firearm reciprocity agreement with the state of Florida. This reciprocity agreement previously permitted citizens of Pennsylvania who were not also Florida residents to obtain a Concealed Carry Permit (hereinafter "CCP") from the state of Florida. The CCP would then be honored in Pennsylvania without the need for a CCP granted by a Pennsylvania issuing authority. This agreement has been modified as follows pursuant to the authority of the Attorney General of Pennsylvania as found in 18 Pa.C.S. § 6109(k)(1):
1. If you are currently a resident of Pennsylvania only and have a CCP from the state of Florida, your Florida permit will no longer be recognized in Pennsylvania 120 days from the date of this Notice, or on June 8, 2013. In the proscribed time period you may apply for a CCP in the county of your residence. Please be aware that your local Sheriff or Police Department (in cities of the First Class) will have forty-five (45) days from the date of your application on which to grant or deny your application for a CCP.
2. If you are a dual resident of Pennsylvania and Florida you need not apply for a CCP in Pennsylvania if you currently hold a CCP from Florida. You must, however, carry with you proof of your Florida citizenry/residence along with your CCP identification when you are carrying a concealed firearm either on your person or in a vehicle.
3. If you are a resident of Florida only and have a CCP from Florida it will continue to be honored in Pennsylvania with all the same rights and recognition as contained in the Reciprocity Agreement between said States.
 

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Guess I was being overly optimistic...according to FL licensing division:

Recent Modifications to the Reciprocity List:

February 4, 2013: Effective this date, PENNSYLVANIA will no longer
honor a Florida concealed weapon license if the license holder is not a RESIDENT
of the state of Florida.
sumbitch...

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
 

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New Mexico, though a different situation, last year refused to recognize permits of surrounding states. I think I recall there was a big outcry that caused them to reverse their decision within days. Tourists and hunters were going to boycott NM and other states weren't going to honor NM licenses as well. It all came down to money.

The Pa. AG says she doesn't like the idea of Pa. residents who were unable to get concealed permits in Pa. to carry with non resident Fla.permits. Easy fix is just restrict Pa.residents using them. I think this comes down to money as well to some extent, cause now individuals will have to obtain a non resident Pa. license that will put money into Pa. as opposed to Fla..

But there will be those no longer wanting to go to Pa. without their gun and that will be a loss as well. I stay at my friend's vacation home when there and he's also pissed. We once found a bear hugging a tree in his driveway, but we were in a vehicle at the time. People walk their dogs and run into them as well, which makes having a gun handy. Maybe he can get rid of that house and buy another one in Vermont where there's no licensing.:mad:
 

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Does PA even offer a non resident CCW at all?
 

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Does PA even offer a non resident CCW at all?
Yes they do. I don't know what they charge, but I recently renewed my Fla. lic for $125, which required I pay for finger prints again. I felt that was unnecessary. That $$ was thrown into the crapper as far as I'm concerned. Being retired LE I'll probably just qualify under HR218 and carry in all states. Only problem is you have to re qualify every year. Nothing ever seems to come easy where guns are concern nowadays.:(
 

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Does PA even offer a non resident CCW at all?
Yes but you are SOL like me...you need to have a license issued by your state of residence first. Since NJ technically is a "may issue" state although they functionally are a no CCW state we are f'd.
 

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Jpyle said:
Yes but you are SOL like me...you need to have a license issued by your state of residence first. Since NJ technically is a "may issue" state although they functionally are a no CCW state we are f'd.
Get the Utah permit or Arizona permit
 

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Get the Utah permit or Arizona permit
Have UT but PA requires a resident permit if your states issues one before they will issue a non-res.
 

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PA may regret what that lib dem AG did. She accomplished nothing but to turn off frequent visitors like myself. Blowing 4, or 500 bucks in Mohegan Sun Casino in Wilkes Barre may be a thing of the past. All my purchases of ammo and misc items at Walmart will cease. Rifle, shotgun and misc. purchases at my favorite gun shop will end unfortunately. Those $100 plus dinners that I take my wife out for in order to get away with things with my buddy will be kaputt and that will go for my buddy and his wife, as well. The AG may have been elected to office, but it obvious that she's gonna be losing revenue for Pa. and is obviously a schmuck.
 
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