Overpriced?

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Glockpotion23, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. Glockpotion23

    Glockpotion23 New Member

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    Does anyone feel H&K and Sig Sauer's are overpriced? Is it that much quality going into a polymer gun(hk)? Damn near $1000 bucks for one of these is pretty steep. How many out there own either one and how do you feel about them? Unless it was something exclusive, that many wouldnt own, then maybe i would.
     
  2. ArizonaLawman

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    I think they are spendy for sure. I don't see any advantage in an HK over a more reasonably priced pistol with the same or better (Glock, XD, XDm, M&P) reliability. I did, along with several other officers and trainers a pretty extensive evaluation of the HK USP's when we were trading in our Glock 17's and looking for a 40 as a replacement. The USP didn't meet the 10,000 round WOF (without failure) standard. Only Glock, XD, Sig 226 and 228, and Beretta 96 did. A bunch of officers decided on going to the Glock 22 as they were most familiar with, and had most confidence it that particular platform.

    The Sig is a FANTASTIC pistol, but just about everyone didn't like the long trigger reach and SLLLLOOOOOOOOOWWWWW reset for follow-up shots. Beretta, holding only 11 rounds, was thought to be too big for a "limited capacity" pistol. Glock won hands-down.

    As a side note: I bought the T&E pistol and made it into a steel gun...I figured with 10k rounds, it was nicely broke in. I let them issue me a new one for duty.

    That being said...both the Sig and Beretta were allowed as an optional pistol. No one bought the Beretta, and a few bought the Sig, but overwhelmingly Glock was picked.
     
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  3. sweeper22

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    Are they overpriced? Yeah, probably. So are a lot of the beers I tend to bring home.

    Lots of people overpay for their passions. I have no interest in paying H&K prices for a polymer gun, but I also have little doubt they produce an exceptional firearm. I like Sig, and might get caught up in their overpriced tacticoolness from time to time.

    You can get into a really solid pistol in just about any category (poly, steel, revolver, 1911, rimfire, etc) for under $600. But by all means, buy something you'll enjoy and take great pride in. Yes, even if that means it isn't such a bargain.
     
  4. HOSSFLY

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    Dont really think Sigs are way overpriced that much (the ones i've been interested in anyway) but the HK's? Hell yes :eek:
     
  5. Tackleberry1

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    For me, HK's are overpriced. Sig's are not. I settled on a 226 .40 which is my bedside gun because out of the dozens of auto platforms I've owned, the Sig is the only one that has NEVER failed. I bought my 226 just after the AWB expired in 2004. It came with the accessory rail, (3) 12 rnd mags, and is NOT a plastic gun. I paid $640 out the door which I though was more than reasonable.

    TACK
     
  6. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I think the P226 and P220 are two of the best pistols manufactured.
     
  7. Wambli

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    I'm sure some folks do. Don't know of any actual SIG or HK owners that do. I own 3 HKs and would buy them again tomorrow. I love the way my P2000 and P2000SK fit my hand (I have a Glock and I HATE the way it feels in my hand) vs. the USP which does NOT fit my hand well. The changeable backstrap of the P2000 was a big selling point for me. They are incredibly accurate and they run 100% dependable with any ammo I run through them. I also like the LEM trigger much better than Glock's and the couple of hundred $s difference in price don't mean much to me. The third HK I own is one of the last 500 P7M8s ever made and it's one of the coolest pistols in the world. A absolute marvel of German engineering that has actually appreciated in value since I bought it. No Glock I know will do that.

    The first SIG I owned was sold to me by one of the first SIG dealers in the US who happened to be a friend of mine. I remember I went in to buy a Beretta and he pulled out his demo P226. The gun looked like hell. When I asked him why he tossed it about 10 feet onto a bare concrete floor. For the next 10 minutes he continued telling me what a great gun the SIG was and while he was talking he continued throwing the P226 on to the concrete floor over and over.

    At the end of the conversation we went to his range and he loaded the gun and ripped the center of a target with all 15 rounds of HPs in the mag. He had been doing that to that gun pretty much daily for 6 months, no cleaning or oiling. I bought a P226 that day and carried it daily for about 5 years and shot it every weekend until I wore through the finish. The I sold it to a buddy and as far as I know that gun is still slinging lead.

    Since then I have owned quite a few SIGS and they have all been great guns but through the years it has become apparent to me that the trigger is way out there and since there are other guns that fit me better I end up selling them. I WANT to love a SIG double stack but it is just NOT meant to be. I did buy a single stack P239 in .357 SIG with a DAK trigger system (similar to the HK LEM) and that fit my hands very well but I sent that to a friend (actually he's more like a brother to me) that really liked it and I gave it to him as a gift. I need to replace that gun one of these days.

    There are only 3 handguns that when I pull them out of the box brand new I know with 100% confidence will work at 100% with anything I throw at them. Glock, HK and SIG. Of the 3 I just like SIG and HK better than Glock and the price difference is just not enough for me to compromise.
     
  8. Glockpotion23

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    640 is a pretty good deal considering you got a few mags. Sig really need to reconsider the ONE mag they give you. Hows the maintenance on the Sig?
     
  9. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    Maintenance...piece of cake. If you taken down a Berreta 92, you've taken down a Sig 226.

    The 3 mags was a great package. When my dealer ordered these particular 226's they were LEO Only due to the 12rd mags. I this think was a specific marketing deal for COPS, hence the extra mags "in the hardcase from SIG". My dealer still had 3 left when the AWB, "94 crime bill" expired and suddenly I could buy one, so I jumped on it.

    3rd huge plus of the 226 is caliber interchangeability.

    Order at .357 Sig barrel and shoot .357 sig w/same recoil spring and mags

    Order 9mm barrel, recoil spring, and mags, and shoot 9mm.

    TACK...
     
  10. JonM

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    the sig 226 and 220 very fine firearms. i still have my 220. worth the money. hk... nah not worth it. there is just something about em i dont like. exception being the old squeeze cocker P7. i would definately get one if i found one in good condition at a fair price.
     
  11. ArizonaLawman

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    I bought a P7M8 with 4 mags for $700 about 6 months ago from my friend's shop. It looked as-new. It has the lever-mag-release behind the trigger guard, so it was intended for the US market.

    Not a bad peice, and at a decent price with 4 mags. It won't replace my Glock as a carry gun, but it's a fun shooter. I used it in an IDPA match a few months ago, just for giggles. It functioned flawlessly, though I was off my game a little on reloads, but not bad.
     
  12. vincev

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    its like anything else in life.If you really like it you dont think its overpriced.If you like it but dont have the money it probably still isnt overpriced.If you only have S/W sigma money you will think its overpriced.
     
  13. Overkill0084

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    "Overpriced" is a personal thing. Perceived value doesn't usually have a lot to do with the real world. Just look at the cars people drive.
    Last year I was looking at semi autos. H&K USPs, I thought they were overpriced. Ended up w/ a CZ75BD. Some time later of course, I spent over $1K on a S&W PC revolver. Can't let logic get in the way :D
    If it's worth it to you and you have the money, it's not overpriced.
     
  14. vincev

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    Your right Overkill.Last year i sold a customer an over/under for $2800.Out of nowhere a young guy comes over and says"Damn, $2800 ! I got good shotguns at home and never paid more than $250!" LOL
     
  15. Wambli

    Wambli New Member

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    In many cases "overpriced" is judged by the person as a function of priorities and checkbook balance...;)
     
  16. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    An UNinformed opinion

    Considering I haven’t even received my permit yet, the following is likely an UNinformed opinion. Nonetheless my heads big enough to think I may have something worthwhile to contribute to this thread, or not.

    Back when cameras used film (remember film?) an experienced eye could see the difference between chromes shot with Leica glass ($$$$$) and those shot with Nikon or Canon lenses ($$$) when making slide selections on the lightbox. This was due to the Leica standard being 1/8th of a wavelength and the Japanese standard being 1/2 a wavelength.

    However, the difference was not great enough to survive the print reproduction process. You couldn’t tell which photos were taken with which lens. Additionally Nikon & Canon were the industry standard. If you needed a repair or a lens or something, you just called the local newspaper and the photographer would tell you where to go to get it fixed, if they didn’t themselves offer to loan you access to their equipment. This was not true of Leicas, which were not so widely used and repairmen didn’t have anywhere near as much experience with them.

    It sounds like HKs and maybe SIGs are like Leicas, and Glocks are like Nikons & Canons.

    Despite how different the tolerances, finish and operation on the guns maybe, it’s not likely someone would be able to tell which brand of gun they were shot with. Additionally it sounds like lots of people have experience taking Glocks down and putting them back together. Do gunshops have as much as HK and SIG parts on the shelf as Glock parts? Do ‘smiths have as many HK & SIG pieces as Glock pieces knocking about?

    So in addressing the question, ‘Are HKs & SIGs overpriced?’ It depends, is the gun going to be a ‘tool’ or a ‘trophy’?

    Like I said, just my UNinformed opinion.
     
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  17. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Some say you get what you pay for...But sometimes we pay more and get less.
     
  18. rachilders

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    I've owned a couple of HK's over the years, currently have several Sigs, and yes, they frequently tend to be overpriced compared to other handguns of similar quality. Actually, Sigs are very well made and I'm happy with the ones I own but I also bought them because I got VERY good deals with each of them. If the deals were not as good as they were, I probably would have passed on the guns. FWIW, the most underated and under valued brand I own (and I feel are as good as any handgun out there) are my CZ's. They are OUTSTANDING guns and a best bang for the buck in my opinion.
     
  19. havasu

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    I used my Sig P-220 on duty for about 4 years, until we were forced to using the Glock. That Sig will always be one of my favorite duty guns!