I ordered a closeout model Hawkenish rifle from Traditions today, about $300 shipped to the office (nothing breaks up a dull afternoon like getting a package). http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/p...d=135&osCsid=72c11b6b67f5b10ce1dea281380efa50 I think the stock is similar to the one on my sidelock pistol. I think it will be a fun plinker. I might drag my lazy butt to the deer stands next year with it. All of the other Hawken models seem to use the 1:48 twist that is a compromise between what round ball needs and what saboted rounds need. I will have to try it out to see for sure.