optics for .308

Discussion in 'Optics & Mounts' started by n_andonovski, Aug 10, 2010.

  1. n_andonovski

    n_andonovski New Member

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    i have just purchased my first rifle. a Tikka T3 lite chamberd in .308 Win.
    the gun is going to be predominately used for target shooting, however it will see a decent amount of hunting use.
    eventually, when i become a better shooter, i would like to (attempt) to shoot to the .308's capabilities-long range shooting. to do so, i need a quality scope.
    any recomendations on how powerful (and expensive) of a scope i should be looking at?


    also, this may sound silly or unpracticle, but ive been doing some research and spoken to a few friends, and a rifle is usually zero'd to a certain distance, and if you want to shoot shorter, or longer you either have to guess for bullet drop or re-zero for a new distance. is it worth getting a distance adjustable scope where you can figure out at what values to have the verticle and horizontale adjustment knobs.

    cheers, Nik.
     
  2. mrm14

    mrm14 Active Member

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    I assume in your post that you are really looking for optics that you can calculate the range to your target. You will need to know your range to target to to figure the correct drop to adjust the elevation to hit the target. That type of optics would be most likely a scope with a Mill Dot reticle. The first question you have to ask yourself is; What distances do you want or intend to shoot? It's good to figure this out before you can make a decision on what power of scope you need.

    As far as what you can do with a Mill Dot reticle scope, heres a tech article from Premier Reticles on how to use their Mill Dot reticle scopes. Basically it will be very similar regarding the use of other scopes with Mill Dot reticles.

    http://premierreticles.com/pdfs/2009-HowToGen2.pdf
     

  3. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    First welcome to the board.

    Now good choice on rifle.

    For optics it depends a lot on budget, what your doing (Target shooting) and how far away you are shooting at.

    I myself prefer Nikon scopes. For a 400 yards and under target shooting and some hunting duties I would look for a nice variable in the power range of 4-12x or 4.5-14x or a 4-16x will do the trick. For hunting you can keep it at 4x for a wide field of view and when target shooting crank it up to the higher power. Bushnell and Weaver are also good scopes. I would stay away from the new Redfield line of scopes from Leupold because they are a two piece tube and the only thing that is good for is fogging up after time.

    As far as having a mildot I dislike them myself for one you have to work hard to really learn how to use them. You're more than likely never going to use them and they clutter up your sight picture. I would get a quality scope with a duplex crosshair and learn how to tell distance and you can use hold over (Kentucky Windage) of you can use the scope adjustments to move your POI to your POA (POI= Point Of Impact POA= Point Of Aim).

    Nikon 4-16 x 50SF Monarch Riflescopes 8439 8440

    Nikon Monarch 3-12x42SF Riflescopes FREE S&H 8418, 8419, 8420. Nikon Monarch Riflescopes, Nikon Riflescopes.

    Here is a 3-9x scope even though I hate that power range. For me it never offered anything other than being frustrated because you see too much on the bottom and not enough on the top.
    Nikon Monarch 3-9x40 Matte BDC Riflescopes FREE S&H 8464. Nikon Monarch Riflescopes, Nikon Riflescopes.

    Weavers
    Weaver V-16 4-16 x 42 mm AO Matte Black Hunting Rifle-Scope FREE S&H 849408, 849409, 849410, 849407, 849414. Weaver Classic V-Series Riflescopes, Weaver Riflescopes.

    Weaver Adjustable Objective 40/44 4-12 x 44mm Scope FREE S&H 849540, 849541, 849542. Weaver 40/44 Riflescopes, Weaver Riflescopes.

    Weaver 4-16x42 Buck Commander Rifle Scopes FREE S&H 94575, 94576. Weaver Buck Commander Riflescopes, Weaver Riflescopes.

    Bushnell
    Bushnell Elite 3200 4-12x40 Riflescope Matte Ballistic 324124B Rifle scope FREE S&H 324124B. Bushnell Elite 3200 Riflescopes, Bushnell Riflescopes.

    Bushnell Elite 4200 4-16x40 with Side Focus Riflescope 424164SF FREE S&H 424164SF. Bushnell Elite 4200 Riflescopes, Bushnell Riflescopes.

    Pentax Made by Burris Pentax are decent scopes for a good price.
    Pentax 4x-12x40mm Gameseeker 2 Water Proof Hunting Riflescopes FREE S&H 89741, 89746. Pentax Gameseeker II Riflescopes, Pentax Riflescopes.

    Pentax 5x 3-15x 50mm Gameseeker Matte Riflescope w/ Precision Plex Reticle 89737 FREE S&H 89737. Pentax Gameseeker Riflescopes, Pentax Riflescopes.

    Pentax 4.5-14x42mm Pioneer II Riflescope 89731 FREE S&H 89731. Pentax Pioneer II Riflescopes, Pentax Riflescopes.
     
  4. mrm14

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  5. TCH2FLY

    TCH2FLY New Member

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    I shoot my .308 out to 900 yds and 3-15x works fine for me. IMO avoid anything over 20x... too much for many hunting situations and the potential for mirage effect when shooting targets means turning it down anyway.
    All the scopes mentioned above are good scopes, I have a Nikon on a .223 and like it a lot. Also look at Vortex, they have something in every price range and a great warranty.

    Regarding holdover vs. adjustable turrets. It depends on the type of target shooting you will be doing .. .fun stuff where a miss is just a miss or competition where a miss means a bit more.
    A .308 is very capable out to 1000 yds+ and depending on you ammo, you will need significant elev adjustment in a scope to move the POI that far out ... many scopes won't have that range of adjustment and a mount with an angled base is required ( you will see references to a "20 MOA base" etc) or you will have to holdover at longer ranges.

    I shoot a match that has 60 targets ranging from 260 to 900 yds and I need to be within 1 MOA to score so adjustable turrets that are accurate and repeatable were at the top of my list. I'm not doing any math, my dope sheet tells me how many clicks I need for a given distance and I have a zero stop to go right back to my starting point. Features to consider when looking at scopes.

    If your targets are a known distance or you have a range finder the mildot reticles may not be needed for elevation but they are very handy for windage or if you don't have time to crank the knobs when hunting. They can be used for measure range but a laser range finder works better. If you shoot moving targets you may prefer some sort of mildot reticle. I have the GEN II XR mentioned in the link above and I like it A LOT
    :D
    Good luck
     
  6. n_andonovski

    n_andonovski New Member

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    thanks everyone for ur advice.

    TCH2FLY,
    what brand scope do you use for your long range shooting?
    when i go to the range for long distance shooting, i know the distance of what im shooting at, or ill have a laser range finder. i just dont want to be stuck on one 'zero' distance. i want a scope with windage and elevation knobs where, after some practise i can have a sheet of vaues at what to set the elevation/windage knobs to for certain distances. what price range are these scopes in? and how powerfull does a scope need to be to be able to clearly see and shoot out to the maximum capabilities of the .308
     
  7. TCH2FLY

    TCH2FLY New Member

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    I use a Premier Reticle Heritage 3-15x50 and I think it is a fantastic scope but it is heavy (not great for a hunting rifle), carries a hefty price tag and may not be the place to start.
    [​IMG]

    There are generally two schools of thought,
    "buy once ... cry once. I'm getting the best regardless"
    and
    "its HOW MUCH? :eek: my wife will make me sleep in the gun safe"

    :D
    It doesn't matter which which group you are in, do some research and figure out the the features you need, then buy within your budget. Plenty of quality out there at all price points ;)

    There are other things to consideration that we haven't touch.
    If you are interested in long range shooting with high end optics this is a good read ...
    Demigod LLC Longe Range optics
    This has some good info as well ...
    Sniper's Hide Optic selection
     
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  8. n_andonovski

    n_andonovski New Member

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    TCH2FLY,
    i want a scope like ur premier, but without the prmier price tag. i did a bit of research, and corrent me if im wrong, but the 3-15x50 is roughly 2.5k?
    thats double and a half of what my rifle is worth.
    id love something with the similar performance and adjustablity for the 1000$ price range. what do you recomend?
     
  9. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    If you have 1k to spend on a scope now your talking.

    Hnads down I would put a Sightron on before any other scope in its price range. That includes Leupold or Ziess...

    Sightron SIII SS 10-50x60mm Side Focus Riflescope FREE S&H SIIISS1050x60LRTD, SIIISS1050x60LRFCH. Sightron Riflescopes.

    http://www.opticsplanet.net/riflescopes-by-price-10.html

    While sightron would be my pick many chooses Leupold which is fine I think you can get much better scopes for less money than what your paying for a Leupold 75% of the price is the name. My $500 monarch will hang with the $800 + VX-3 line of Leupolds.
     
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  10. n_andonovski

    n_andonovski New Member

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    just had a look at both those sites...
    and the 10-50 magnification scope i think is a bit much as a base magnification? yes, i will be using it (eventually) for long range target shooting, however didnt you say thats too much for hunting? (however it will see more range time then hunting time) apart from that down fall (and im not exactly sure it IS a downfall) i really like that scope.

    and just out of curiosity, how strong is 50 times magnification?
    lets say at 700 meters how clearly can u see with 50 times magnification?
     
  11. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    You can see the hair on the nuts of a nat at 500 yards.

    Here are the sightron offerings at SWFA. There are a few of us here that have ordered from them. SWFA Riflescopes Sightron Riflescopes Sightron SIII Riflescopes

    to start the 3.5-10x will work great. Then if you want you can sell it or trade it in to swfa and get a 6-24x or 10-50x later on.

    Here is The Sample List from SWFA these are used factory refurb scopes. Just as good as new just less cost... SWFA Riflescopes
     
  12. scottmphoto

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  13. TCH2FLY

    TCH2FLY New Member

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    The Sightron is a good choice in that price range although I don't like or want a 10-50x scope. They have a 6-24x50-SIII-30mm that would be a better choice than a 50x (I also don't like their heavy mildot reticle). Be careful about getting too much magnifcation, as previously stated I use a 3-15x and it is enough for 900m.

    Another contender in the $1k range is IOR Valdada. Although not always considered dependable, they have improved the quality recently and I was very close to owning an IOR 3-18x42 . The image quality is very, very good and with a 20MOA base the IOR 4-14x50-Tactical-30mm should have enough adjustment for 1000 yds. I really liked the MP-8 Dot reticle.

    I also linked SWFA but before you order I would strongly suggest you call Scott at Liberty Optics and ask for his best prices, he carries IOR and Sightron.
     
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  14. jpattersonnh

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    Be careful going w/ a high powered scope for a 1st. I used a 6-24x40mmAO for years on my .308 target rifle. It was not practicle for hunting at all. I ended up putting a Sightron SII 3-12x42mmAO on her and am very happy. I have easy target accuzition at 100 yards and can still make a 400 yard shot easily. My CZ527 Varminter sports a Sightron SII 6.5-20x42mmAO, and lets me count the whiskers a coyote has at 250 yards. You can spend $400.00 and get some great glass if you look around.
     
  15. TCH2FLY

    TCH2FLY New Member

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    I agree but the OP stated this is intended for target with some hunting so he will have some compromises. I intended to suggest the 6-24x as a better choice than 10-50x not that it was the best choice. I edited my post to be a bit more clear
     
  16. ron12301

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    I have a Remington VLS in .308 with a Nikon Monarch 6-24x50 scope on it. I believe it was around $650. the scope is well made with very clear glass and seems to gather light well. Maybe the 6 power low end would be too much for you, but for targets and Varmits it fits my bill. I bought the bdc reticle and if I had it to do over I might choose something else. The reticle is a bit thick for me. However the bdc does allow you to estimate holdover for longer ranges. Hope this is some help.
     
  17. Txhillbilly

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    Being the age that I am,my eyes aren't what they used to be.I have to have more magnification on my scopes just to see things at longer ranges.
    I used to think that anything over 14-16x magnification was too much,but nowadays I'll take as much as I can get.

    I have 2 Sightron SIII 6-24x50 scopes.They are probably the best scopes for the money on the market right now for shooting long range.I have a Swarovski scope on another rifle,and the Sightrons are just as good for 1/3 of the price.
    IOR Valdada is also a great scope,and they offer some great reticles,also Zeiss has great optics in that price range but they lack in elevation/windage adjustment for really long ranges.
    Leupold VXIII & Mark VI scopes are also great scopes,they are just priced about $400-500 more than they're worth,for what you get.

    This is about the cheapest you find the Sightron's,I bought my last one from them-
    Sightron SIII 6-24 X 50 Black Matte, Mil Dot, SIII624x50LRMD, Rifle Scope: Arcadian Sales
     
  18. mrm14

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    I have the Premier Reticles 5-25X56mm scope for 1000 yard target and so far I find that the most magnification I use is around 17 to 18 power. Cranked up to 20 plus magnfiication theres alot of times too much "mirage" to deal with. My eyes arn't what they used to be, but luckly, they're not that bad for near 55 Y.O.
     
  19. ronl

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    For starting out I'd check out the Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44. The problem with some of the Nikons is that they have very little travel in the turrets, which is a problem shooting out to long distances. I have one of the Vipers on a 700 .308 and really like it. It has a mildot reticle. It tracks very accurately. The great warranty and customer service are a big plus. Optics Planet had them on sale for $399 with free shipping. They are also very clear edge to edge.