opinions on a good handgun for my somewhat different needs..

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Tinytacohead, Oct 13, 2010.

  1. Tinytacohead

    Tinytacohead New Member

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    reccomendation for a good handgun/somewhat different needs..

    What I'm looking for.. a quality handgun that's light, doesn't have tooo much kick, but still has some power & precision behind it. Why.. I'm disabled, (read: wheelchair bound with a somewhat weaker upper body), live alone in the country, and would like to have one, both for protection & so I can join in the fun of basic target practice with buddies when we go camping, and who knows, maybe a little hunting on the side. Class-Q licenses have some interesting perks!

    I've only shot a few guns: 22 rifle, 357 Mag & a basic 22 pistol. (both @ a range and out camping) Rifle's are out, I simply don't have the upper body to hold them up & be safe, and in the case of a break-in, don't expect to have time to find a rest for the barrel, lol. (I did well with a bench) 357, too much kick for me, and for my particular needs, I know there are lighter options out there. The basic 22 handgun was fine, (though lighter is always better in my case), and if that's the direction I go that's alright, but I don't know a whole lot about guns & there're alot of 22's out there! Also, a friend who well understands my physical limitations suggested a 32 instead, (added power without much more kick), and I know there are light composites etc, so I'll shuttup and wait for some replies, haha.

    EDIT - Oh, and simple maintenance would be nice as well
     
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  2. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    I would go with a 9mm. Go have a look at some and feel them up!

    The heavier it is the lighter the recoil. The cz75b is my favorite.

    If you want it lighter they do make a polymer version called the phantom.

    The 22 and .32 are NOT viable self defense rounds at all.

    :)
     

  3. Tinytacohead

    Tinytacohead New Member

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    I was kind of expecting to hear that, another reason for the post - thanks! (keep them coming people :))
     
  4. SecPro

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    XD Subcompact or any 9mm compact maybe.

    A Ruger LCP sounds like it'll fit your needs well.
     
  5. Neophyte1

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    Learn together:)

    Tinytacohead: Sir, you pose an interesting question. I see folks with physcial type limitations on a regular basis. I too have wondered ''if'' or how, or ???

    Ruger LCP has a ''bite'' to it. Nothing dramatic for the ?average? Some, find it biting.
    SW638 serves me well, .38. Light, being able to carry it front, or back pocket concealed.
    Glock 17-22 are a little harder to hide.
    Ruger GP100 .38, heavier ''stout'' firearm {assist absorbing the shock}

    Were you close by:) I would be more than willing to share and we could learn together. ''Maybe" !!!!:)
     
  6. Recon 173

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    My suggestion would be to get a decent revolver that has a honed action done by a reputable gunsmith. I would suggest that you consider a .357 magnum revolver with a 4 inch barrel loaded with .38 special target loads. Target loads are accurate, have decent power behind them without being too recoil harsh and will be effective too. Somethng to think about.
     
  7. CA357

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    I suggest nothing smaller than a 9mm. Bigger is always better, but 9mm will do the job. There's some excellent SD ammunition on the market and the 9 has been dispatching bad guys for many years. Recoil isn't bad at all and the pistols can be had in various sizes, weights and configurations.

    Here's a thread that's going on right now discussing various 9mm defensive ammunition: http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f15/best-defense-ammo-9mm-32756/

    The suggestion has been made for a polymer framed pistol, CZ is a good one. The S&W M&P series, Springfield XD series and the Glock are all available as lightweight and quality pistols.

    I have owned the CZ 75B and the CZ 2075 RAMI. Both were excellent pistols both in performance and quality.

    Back when I had money, I had one of the first Springfield EMP's and it was sweet. It was expensive, but it was a very cool pistol.

    I have owned two Browning Hi Powers and an Argentine Hi Power and they were all excellent.

    My first semi automatic was a Glock 19 and it was everything it was supposed to be. However, to my hands now, Glocks feel very blocky and fat.

    I recently bought a Ruger SR9c and have found it to be an outstanding pistol so far. It has gotten rave reviews in the industry and is a good buy for the money.

    I did a review and range report recently here: http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f66/range-report-ruger-sr9c-32266/

    Something that you may like about a compact 9mm pistol rather than full size is that the barrels are mid length so the recoil is quite manageable while the pistol itself is a bit smaller and handier in confined space. Not to be rude, but I assume that's probably a consideration.

    Magazine capacity is also going to matter. Spray and pray is not a good defensive technique, however, I think you will want a good large capacity. So stay away from single stack magazine pistols. they are more slim, but they lack capacity.

    When you make a decision or if you have more questions, please don't hesitate to ask or post here.

    BTW, one last thing. If you buy a pistol and then ask us if it's a good one, it's too late for us to help, you're already an owner. So if you have questions, ask them before you buy something. It will be much better if you can test fire some of them as well before making any decisions.

    I hope this helps.
     
  8. jpattersonnh

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    I would look at a Sig P6 (9mm). J&G has them. Fairly light, no bad habits, and recoil is minimal. A Walther P1 is better in the fact that it is a right hand twist w/ a left hand eject. Kind of a counter balance. Don't rule out a .380acp. Very light and managable.
     
  9. Alchemist

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    FN Herstal Five-seveN... 5.7x28mm... 20+1 rounds... 22 oz. ... If you can afford it ($1,000 range), it's a very low-recoil full-sized handgun with proven stopping-power. Ammo is a little pricey but this gun has some very enthusiastic supporters.

    Genitron.com: Details for FN Five-seveN 5.7x28mm FN Pistol

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFhyiGvWrSI&feature=related]YouTube - FN Five-seveN USG Pistol[/ame]
     
  10. utf59

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    Unfortunately, "light" is usually a trade-off with "recoil." A heavier gun dissipates more of the energy in recoil. So does a heavier shooter, but enough about me.

    If weight is the lesser issue, I'd second the recommendation of getting a full-size .357, then shooting .38 special out of it. The recoil is pretty soft, the ammo performance is similar to 9mm, they're accurate, and you can move up to .38 +p for defense if you want. You can also get wrap-around rubber grips that will help dampen the recoil further. There are many models to choose from, and many more accessories and types of ammo. That will help you get exactly what suits you.

    If weight is more of an issue, you're probably looking at an automatic, since lightweight revolvers transmit much more of their recoil to the shooter. Something that dissipates recoil on an auto is a longer action — that is, a full-size gun. The recoil spring gets to act against the slide for a longer time. Again, you can find rubber grips for many automatics. And if you don't mind the extra weight of a metal gun, the Hi-Power is an excellent choice. I've heard great things about the CZ series, though I've never shot one.

    If you can borrow more guns from your friends, I strongly recommend you do that. And visit a range, if you can, that rents guns, and try out some of theirs.

    And there's nothing wrong with starting out with a .22. It's a great platform for learning to shoot, practicing on the cheap, and for learning what you like and don't like before you spend more money on a defensive gun. You'll probably want to have a .22 around even after you choose a defensive gun. I take a .22 to the range every trip so I can get in more trigger time for my ammo budget.

    Whatever you decide, happy shooting!
     
  11. Mark F

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    Smith & Wesson Model 60, nuff said...
     
  12. CA357

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    Someone suggested a Sig P6. It's a great pistol, but it's single stack, so capacity is limited. That is also why I didn't suggest a revolver.

    Since you have mobility issues, my thought is for you to have as much firepower at your disposal as possible. Since evasion might be an issue.
     
  13. c3shooter

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    As the folks have said- all other things being equal, the lighter gun WILL kick more- Law of physics- action and reaction. You also need to consider if you have the upper body strength to operate the action of a semi-auto pistol. (Secret, by the way, it to hold pistol in right hand, pointing slightly left, use left hand to hold action, and PUSH hands towards each other- NOT to hold with one hand and PULL with other) A very small readily concealable handgun is also not a first choice as a target gun.

    Have a friend that is a chair user- lost both legs. He shoots a 6 inch 357 mag- conceals in the bag on the side of the chair. .38 Special wadcutter gives light recoil, very accurate target use, switch to JHP .357 for social purpose things. There is also the .327 magnum, reportedly giving manageable recoil, but energies in the respectable range for self defense. Ammo will cost more due to uniqueness, but you can also shoot 32 magnum, and 32 S&W- a bit of a *****cat, but the .32s can be some match accurate guns. Have not had personal experience with the .327 mag, so cannot give a reccomendation- but worth looking at.
     
  14. Recon 173

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    Okay, no revolvers. Be the first one on your block to own and shoot one of these:

    Kel-Tec PMR-30 pistol | The Firearm Blog

    The Kel Tec PMR-30 holds 30 rounds of .22 magnum ammo in its magazine. You could load this pistol and shoot 1 round a day every day for a month. In February you'd have a couple of rounds left over. And the .22 magnum round has power behind it and does not recoil bad at all. Like the article says, "Thirty rounds is a lot of ammo."
     
  15. jpattersonnh

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    If 8 rounds does not do it, you have serious problems. Cocked and locked gives you 9. If you shot 8 and do a quick mag change, that is very respectable fire power. I'm a pretty big guy and find the grips awesome. OP, Recoil is so light, don't believe you need weight to compensate. If you can find a person to reload for you, a 95grhp at close range makes a big mess fast. 147grHP also do a great job. Depending on the powder used, you can really tailor the round.
     
  16. sweeper22

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    A 22lr pistol is a great place to start. Good for plinking. Not ideal for defense, but better than nothing.

    For defense, these would seem like the most viable options:

    9mm- Adequate defense round, should be easy enough to find one you can try out.

    38sp- Ditto.

    327mag- A great option for a lower recoil defense round, with cheaper 38spl plinking ammo available.

    5.7x28- FN 5.7 could be an interesting option if the $1000 price tag (and spendy ammo) don't deter you.
     
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  17. canebrake

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    Look, you're new to firearms and I don't recommend you go out and spend $1K on something that may turn out to be a BIG MISTAKE!

    If you would like some sage advice, take it from this old sage-coach driver and get a 9mm. Preferably one that has some John Moses Browning genes in its upbringing.

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    I got this fine specimen of the Browning Hi Power for $500 on GunBroker.com a year ago.

    If you want the same reliability but at a bargain price take a look at the Argentine FM 90 Hi-Power at J&G Sales for <$300.

    Argentine FM 90 High Power, 9mm. Very Good condition Hi Power model - $299.95

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    I have heard nothing but good comments on these used 9mms and think it a great (and low cost) way for you to enter the personal protection theater. It's been my experience that the $20 "Hand Select" up-charge is worth the price.

    And if round count is a concern, don't buy the extra mags from J&G, get some Mec-Gars in 15 round (same size as the 13 rd with flush fit but 15+1!) here:

    Mec-Gar Magazine Browning Hi-Power 9mm Luger 15-Round Steel Blue - MidwayUSA
     
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  18. canebrake

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    And, (there's always a and with the canester) for cheap and fun plinking, get one of these:

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    GSG 1911-22LR, about the same price of the Hi-Power but shoots 22LR. I have this gun and it's a hoot to shoot!

    GSG 1911 22LR - $309 Delivered
     
  19. Tinytacohead

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    Thanks for all the input everybody. I've now spent half a day looking at guns. :) After alot of thought I'm going to slightly amend my original uses for a gun..

    To be honest, I live in a fairly safe neighborhood & doubt I'll need it for self defense - BUT would like to have something just in case. It's more likely going to be a sport piece though. That said, and considering my somewhat unique situation, the Kel-Tec PMR-30 is really interesting. It's a full sized gun that's lightweight & has low recoil with a light trigger pull, as well as lots of rounds, lol. (my hands are weak enough that stiff triggers can be a problem) Does anybody have personal experience with this gun? Also, I know it varies greatly depending on a wide variety of things, but is there a general range for a gun like the PMR-30? Ex: I'm reading a Ruger LCP is good for around 9y give or take, precision. It'd be nice to have more distance. Also, after watching the videos of the prototype sub PMR-30, a shoulder stock might be just what I need to help with both recoil and weight, of any gun. (for sport shooting anyways) Are these available for handguns?
     
  20. Alchemist

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    I have a lot of hope for the PMR-30... (it's kind of like a "poor-man's FNH FiveseveN)... The question of the hour is: How soon will Kel-Tec (which has a pretty fair reputation) be able to get through the new-model-testing-and- improving phase with it(?). A PMR-30 bought 6 months from now will no doubt be better than the few that were released this summer. From what I've read on the net, it doesn't seem to be having major problems. As with any new gun on the market, however, it's a bit of a gamble just now. I'm not trying to talk you out of buying one. I really like the concept of the gun... Just bringing up the new-release issue to make sure you're aware of it.
    On the range issue, yeah, the PMR-30 will shoot much more accurately than a mouse-gun like the LCP (which I have and like a lot BTW) at 10 or 20 yards due to increased barrel-length and sight-line.
     
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