Opinion - Time for the NRA to change tactics

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by CrazedJava, Feb 13, 2013.

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  1. CrazedJava

    CrazedJava New Member

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    After watching the President's remarks on gun control last night, it's clear that the traditional way of fighting this battle is inefficient and often ineffective. Looking at polls and the reactions to that portion of the President's speech, it is clear that an "overwhelming majority of Americans support action" is a fabrication. A convenient cherry picking of facts. I too would like to see laws around guns change, but I support none of the proposals that the President is making.

    So while we may be winning the war, the battles are costly. The NRA needs to update their approach. We know the tactics of gun grabbers. They are well document and have been observed time after time. Fighting these battles outside of the public eye means every fight is uphill. If they were more effective, this discussion would have been over a month ago. Instead, gun owners and the NRA are continuing to expend time and resources and the enemy knows we do not have an unlimited amount of either. In a war of attrition, we stand a chance of losing.

    The NRA, maybe gun owners in general, need to start adopting the tactics of the anti-gunners. We need to get women and minorities in front of the camera instead of the standard "Old White Guys". I honestly cannot tell the difference between the standard NRA spokesperson and a US politician. That is a very bad thing. We need to start making the emotional appeals. "Gun save lives!" or "Without my gun I would be dead". The more dramatic the better. We see these stories in social media but the NRA does not seem to take up the flag. Also, we need to break out the race card and call out gun control policies as discriminatory against minorities and the poor. Pro-gun folks know this but the public at large does not. That message needs to get out there. Unlike the "NRA is racist" or "Gun owners are afraid of blacks" memes, at least this one is true.

    Also, why not hammer home the problems in Chicago? I could not believe the President would use the slaying of a teenager in Chicago as part of his gun control platform. Chicago already has many of the policies he supports, and yet it leads the nation in murder. I think on some level many are aware of this, but it needs to get out in the popular culture. "We don't need Chicago-style gun control" would not be a bad theme to run for awhile.

    We're fighting a movement driven by emotion with logic and reason. Well, logic and reason are on our side, but if we refuse to engage the enemy on their battlefield and they refuse to engage us on ours, then we have to take the fight to them. We just need to inject that logic and reason into our emotional appeals.

    If we maintain, rightfully so, that gun owners are not just a bunch of OFWG's, then we need to get some fresh faces out there. I am finding this constant uphill battle exhausting.
     
  2. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    i like this idea alot. i also think that the NRA should ask, push all the main news media to give as much air time to good guys with guns as they do the bad guys but i dont see that happening. however if somehow we could make it a public challenge to them we may see a difference.. i dont know, just what rolls around my noggin.
     

  3. CrazedJava

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    Unfortunately, this is unlikely as many of the major outlets are openly hostile to the NRA. However, I do not understand why they don't have a major ally in Fox News.
     
  4. chloeshooter

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    Agreed the NRA is not connecting with as many Americans as we could be. The gun grabbers ALWAYS use emotion, and its hard to overcome the visual of dead kindergarteners with logic and reason.

    I know it's treasonous to many on here to suggest that the NRA work with the same folks who want to limit our freedoms. IMHO there was nothing to be gained by saying no to universal background checks. I know the reasoning so know one needs go enlighten me. I don't agree with it.
     
  5. BigByrd47119

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    Im to the point of not caring anymore. If they want them, they can come take them. Goes for the feds and the anti groups. Im tired of debate, and you know what they say about a man too tired to fight...

    God knows I dont want it to come to that, but there it is
    We never win on any issue. The people WANT to be subjects, they reject the very primal requirment for freedom, RESPONSIBILITY!!!
     
  6. WNGMSTR

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    Fox News is there just to perpetuate the facade of left-right, republican-democrat. They are not a voice of Conservative values.

    Roger Ailes has openly lobbied for gun control.

    It is up to "We the People".
     
  7. JTJ

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    A vendor posted T Shirts on the forum and I suggested one that says "A firearm saved my life". They are very receptive to suggestions along this line. I believe it has to be done low key so they have to read the message without a gun looking back at them. "Firearms Save Lives" as posted above would be another good one. Get enough positive T Shirts out there and people will have to notice. A shirt that says "Gun Control Is Racist" also suggested above would be interesting.
     
  8. superdecals

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    We take all suggestions very seriously. I am very open to ideas, as we will be putting many shirts into production in the next month or two. Those shirts that will be put into production are based on what users want, so I would love to hear the opinions of those users.
     
  9. John_Deer

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    JPFO has said that gun laws are racist in an attempt to pick up black members who don't support the NRA but value their second amendment rights.
     
  10. BigByrd47119

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    Well...they do, IF you, like many others here, believe firearms are for personal protection. African Americans identify firearms with self defence over every other group in America.

    Last I heard it was something like 60+% of African American gun owners said they owned firearms for self defence. Makes sense when African Americans make up the majority of the populations in areas with the most violence.
     
  11. NC1760

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    Then why can't I seem to get my Black, Asian, Gay and Lesbian, Jewish... even Democrat gun buddies to come to the 2A rallies ???? Maybe because they don't feel very welcome when they show up (if they show up) and see some of the pro-gunners not sticking to the issue at hand and demonizing anyone and anything that isn't of the neo-conservative/tea party point of view in ALL aspects.... not just gun rights. They (nor I) wish to be associated with that....

    NOW... before some of you start dog piling ... ask yourself this.... IF you were to show up and ask to participate in the ANTI-gun movement, do you think THEY would give a rat's @$$ what church or temple (if any) you attend... or what your sexual preference is.... or what color you are... or even who you voted for in the last election ??? .... The answer is no. THEY are focused and inclusive... we (for the most part) are not. We are currently the ones in a panic and feeding on each other with hoarding & profiteering.

    But as the saying goes, you find out who your friends are when things get tough.... and IMO it ain't the government.... OR the NRA !!
     
  12. nitestalker

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    Just how many NRA members would be welcome at liberal Democratic functions? How many liberal left wing people stand up for the rights of gun owners?
    Why are you preaching the left wing agenda that you only need to accept some gun control? The OP noted he is pro gun control? This is more of the antigun propaganda put out by left wing groups. If your gay jewish black friends were dedicated to gun ownership why don't they speak out to Democratic leaders? :confused:
     
  13. John_Deer

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    You will see a lot of pro gun people trying to exclude people who are not on board with the entire GOP platform. I can not understand where this behavior comes from and I don't care. These people are not the majority of gun owners. You have extremists on both sides of the fence and they both need to be neutralized for us to keep our rights and win the battle of public opinion. We can not unite gun owners if the far right is telling people that are ready to do what it takes to keep the second amendment intact they are not wanted. I am concerned about preserving my right to defend my family. I am not going to shove your religious or political beliefs down peoples throats to make you happy.

    The author of this article is a bleeding heart liberal that does not own a gun. He makes a better argument for the preservation of the second amendment than most gun owners. We have to do better than "What part of shall not be infringed is so hard to understand?" I hate to inform you that your second amendment rights have already been infringed.

    http://www.thepolemicist.net/2013/01/the-rifle-on-wall-left-argument-for-gun.html#comment-794058681

    Here is another great article. It makes a better argument for the preservation of our RKBA than anything I have ever read that was published by the NRA. Moderates who are on the fence need to be persuaded to jump of the fence on the right side. Just quoting the constitution is not going to persuade them. We need to persuade them that they need a firearm. They need to be awakened to the fact they need to be responsible for their own personal safety.
    http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/dial911anddie.htm
     
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  14. nitestalker

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    Liberals have attacked gun owners for over 100 years. Would you please post information where NRA members tried to get you to go to church? This is just more liberal BS. Yes, the Democratic Party is the enemy of American Gun owners. Are you blind? Obama and the DNC is pushing the liberal collective agenda as always. Gun owners just agree with Obama and accept a few gun bans. If you don't like the Pro gun stand then go peddle your anti gun crap some where else.:rolleyes:
     
  15. PrimePorkchop

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    I agree completely.

    I say put up or shut up to the gun grabbers. But also, remember, guns are the problem, not people... so when you come to take ours, you better bring unicorn farts and rainbows.
     
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  16. AR10

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    The NRA has what, 4 million members? More as of late, but still a pretty low number, figuring there are 300 million people in the USA.

    The NRA had better start doing TV spots recruiting. Recruit in malls, dorms, library's, stand next to the homeless beggar at Wal-Mart.

    We better do something to raise our numbers to 150 million.
     
  17. Tackleberry1

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    I respectfully disagree with the notion of using emotion and and fear to push our agenda.

    An Agressive campaing however, making Obama's home town of Chicago the poster child of gun control has promise.

    The NRA Video reponse to BO's proposals was excellent. Not only did it show the fallacy of public support but it also reminded law makers what the NRA DID to AWB voters back in 94.

    Tack
     
  18. nitestalker

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    There is nothing to stop anyone from setting up tables in Malls markets etc where legal and sign up members to the NRA. Many active members set up at gun shows. The NRA is a membership Org. It is not an insurance don't just pay your dues and expect some one to else to save your guns.
    We have built this 4.5 million member Org. thru Certified Inst. and being involved in local politics. If you are not active you should be.:)
     
  19. JeeperSC

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    Exactly, there are a few.

    But it's either the standard clean cut white male in a suit or the Vietnam Vet, full beard, cargo shorts, booney cap, t shirt and tactical vest doesn't relate anymore.
    We need progun reality tv celebs like Kim Kardashian or Snookie that the general public look up to! Lol
     
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  20. PrimePorkchop

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    Meh. 4 million is actually REALLY good.

    Of the 300 million in the US, 25% are under the age of 18...47% are on government hand outs...willing to do whatever they're told to keep the free **** coming.

    To put that into comparison - as of Sept 30, 2010, there were 1.4 million United States red blooded Americans serving active duty in the armed forces. (all branches combined) ... another good comparison? Look at the # of PETA members (an idiot liberal staple club) and their #'s are only 750,000...but thats WORLD WIDE.

    4 million is a *VERY* healthy number indeed.

    150 million would be great - for sure - but not achievable...unless the main stream media suddenly developed a love affair with the NRA.

    I know a *LOT* of people who think exactly the way I do but have no desire to join the NRA for many reasons of their own.

    "WE" are the majority. NRA membership or not - gun owners in America will not lie down and allow confiscation to happen without a fight.

    Ever.
     
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