Open carry

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Gunhand, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. Gunhand

    Gunhand New Member

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    I think it would be good to have open carry it would probably cut down on alot of crime it hasn't passed yet but think it will next year in Oklahoma
     
  2. Alpha1Victor

    Alpha1Victor New Member

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    I prefer the element of surprise.

    Signing out, Alpha1victor.
     

  3. UrbanNinja

    UrbanNinja New Member

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    Agreed, also with open carry I always have the thought of a BG just walking up behind and grabbing for it (I dont use a thumb break).
     
  4. Alpha1Victor

    Alpha1Victor New Member

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    I have seen a few open carry parties take it way overboard also. They try and dress tacticool and like a police officer. I think that in itself is an issue.

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  5. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Open carry has appropriate and inappropriate times.

    Appropriate -

    Hunting
    Fishing
    Anytime on own property
    Shooting ranges
    Law enforcement
    military


    Inappropriate -

    Anywhere public that Democrats are liable to see your scary gun- mall, restaurant, park, gas station ... etc


    Open carry has little tactical advantage for civilians. A gun on your hip makes you a blatant target in dangerous situations.

    Many open carry activists are ego maniacs with an acute case of LOOK-AT-ME syndrome. They want to be noticed, they want to terrorize and antagonize the anti crowd. They are harmful to honest gun owners.
     
  6. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    If I did carry, it would NEVER be open carry. For several reasons............
     
  7. ArizonaLawman

    ArizonaLawman New Member

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    Let us save time and assume I am right....man above speak TRUTH.

    Open carry....99.8767645872658236458743265827346508273465087324568273% of the time is like chicken**** on a pump handle....useless as a crime deterrent. If I could find the LONG discourse on this very subject I wrote I'd quote it here.
     
  8. ArizonaLawman

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    I think OC in metropolitan areas is silly. Kind of like going into an ethnic neighborhood with slogans that insult that ethnicity. Sure, you have (or SHOULD HAVE) the RIGHT to do it...but is it really smart to do it?

    Concealed carry is a FANTASTIC advantage no matter where you are. Number one...it keeps the "stinky eye off YOU" and not from LE...but from everyone else, who's OPINION doesn't matter, but do you want someone with less than honest intent making YOU the first target to shoot? That round may come from behind from HIS concealed handgun you knew nothing about because it was concealed and you get shot from ambush...before you have the chance to react.

    Take a banking institution for example. You are inside making your deposit or whatever and you are carrying open. A pair of armed robbers enters the bank, sees YOUR conspicuously displayed pistol, and before they even announce their intent they blow you to hell. Trust me, they aren't going to freeze in their tracks because you're carrying a gee-whizz tacticool 1911 or whatever. They aren't going to flee in fright because you are packin' a roscoe. The chances are very good that since they are already in for a penny, they might as well be in for a pound, and smoke you on the spot, then yell..."THIS IS A ROBBERY!". You have just been made an example of what not to do.

    HOWEVER...if you're carrying concealed...you aren't THE GUY THEY SHOOT FIRST. Things may go smoothly if everyone listens, no one tries to be a hero, and by golly YOU are still ALIVE. They get their money, and de-*** the area. BUT...if things go badly, and they panic and start shooting people; you are still armed and may just have that one chance in a zillion to save your butt because YOUR roscoe was concealed.

    Even when I was a detective and working plain clothes...my gun, badge, and cuffs were not visible. No one knew I was a cop until I identified myself, or was working a crime scene and had my badge out of my pocket and clipped to my belt. I never wore the silly OAKLEYS with POLICE emblazoned on the temples or the key lanyard with POLICE on the side around my neck with a PD ID on it. Why let some scumbag know who I was and give them an advantage?

    You can bet if I was in that bank, I would be "Mr Compliant" until I had to act, and then and only then would anyone know I was armed. It's not cowardice or being chicken****...it's just sound tactical thinking. I'd a whole lot rather smoke a bad guy when I had all the advantage I could muster.

    If the scumbags were armed with AK's, AR's, shotguns...what advantage does my pistol really give me? NONE if they know I have it. If they don't know...then that moment MAY arrive when I can take them out without getting my own silly *** or some other person's *** dead. Do I have the right to foolishly risk your grandma's life? Do I have the right to risk yours? Even if they miss me with that ambush shot...that bullet could, and may very well hit your wife, or mom, or whomever. Trust me, the scumbags aren't all that concerned with a safe back stop.

    You never want to make yourself the obvious first target. Personally...I like being "Mr Gray". I don't want to be the one who is sticking out like a dildo at Disney Land. I'd rather be just another faceless guy in a crowd until I have to be otherwise. Then surprise surprise...I just RUIN'T YER DAY.


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    Above is what I posted ever so eloquently in another thread....
     
  9. RairWeatherSmok

    RairWeatherSmok New Member

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    Under the CHL laws in Texas if you accidentally expose your weapon, then you can be charged with brandishing. An open carry law would negate that.

    I have no use for going cowboy.
     
  10. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Same here in Oklahoma. :(

    IMO, I think we should have the option to do either here, conceal or open carry, although, I would always still choose to conceal.

    The wind blows here daily here for free and strongly, and if a OWB holster/shoulder rig carried gun, covered by a jacket or shirt is exposed for a moment, because a jacket or shirt is blown up or aside by wind and accidentally exposes it, one should be covered legally, either way. :cool:
     
  11. partdeux

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    We have open carry in MI... and the debate rages on for pages and pages of OP vs CC discussion.

    Friend of mine usually CC, but one day some punks in his neighborhood were running a bit wilder than usual. It was at night, and he lit them up with a 2M spot light. They decided to come get him, and his 45 was sitting in the open on his hip. As soon as the punks saw him, they backed down and to this day it's Mr. X, how are you doing today. He still chooses to mostly CC. I have no reason to doubt his story.

    I personally typically tend to externally CC with a shirt or jacket hanging over the firearm.

    Some believe CC is the best thing, others believe OC is the best thing, and usually with a very passionate defense.
     
  12. gollygee

    gollygee New Member

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    If a person guesses how a bad guy will react to seeing someone with a firearm, they have a 50/50 chance of being right. Some may make that person their 1st target & others just quietly leave.

    My concern about open carry is putting up with all the 'gawkers' who are not aware of the law & especially the "man with a gun" panic calls to 911 & the ensuing commotion. However, once the law is widely known & people become accustomed to seeing it, this will subside. I've visited with folks that live in states where they have had open carry for a long time & they report that no one pays them any attention. It is the folks that are willing to step up & be the first ones to exercise the right, that will bring about it's acceptance. Of course, there will always be areas, within a conservative state, where the local law enforcement/populace may give you a hard time, such as a metropolitan city that is a liberal mecca.
     
  13. Seanbo123

    Seanbo123 New Member

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    I would have to say it depends wether you should open carry or conceal. I had a situation where there was a few guys that looked like they were up to no good and i was at a gas station getting gas so i exited my blue crown vic but im not a cop but anyway i got out and my glock was
    Showing on my side and they took off probably guessing i was a cop cause gun + cop car = cop i guess
     
  14. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    that right there. totally correct. i oc when im out hunting on private land and it doesnt matter if a goblin that is tresspassing sees my handgun because i already got a rifle in hand either a bigbore 458 caliber or an AR15 with 30 rounds. the rifle will be aimed at any tresspasser till the sherriff deputies show up. poaching, illegals running drugs through the property or whatever is serious business where i deer hog and yote hunt
     
  15. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    Ditto! Element of surprise always worked for me.
     
  16. CarlsbadRanger06

    CarlsbadRanger06 New Member

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    Oklahoma is already an open carry state...... As long as you aren't barred from possessing a firearm legally....
     
  17. CarlsbadRanger06

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    Iay be wrong, but that's what my Deputy Sheriff friend told me a couple years ago..... Maybe I'm wrong though..... I was born and raised in Woodward, OK.
     
  18. Durangokid

    Durangokid New Member

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    The folks in Casper, Wyoming carry their guns open to the city council meeetings. Some of the council members claim they have been intimidated by some of these armed folks. It is not legal to carry concealed to a city meetings but open carry is legal. In Wyoming no permits are needed for open or concealed carry.

    Gun Owners Association Responds To Ordinance Change Proposal - K2 Radio
     
  19. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Not yet, but were hoping to be able to have that choice in the near future. ;)

    Really? :cool:
     
  20. CarlsbadRanger06

    CarlsbadRanger06 New Member

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    Yep! Actually its Fargo, OK. But since it ain't in all the maps, I've found it's easier to say Woodward.

    Where you from?