open carry of long guns banned

Discussion in 'California Gun Forum' started by mountainman13, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    "The measure responds to gun rights advocates who took to openly carrying unloaded long guns to protest another bill that became law last year."

    Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/08/27/2966824/senate-approves-ban-on-open-carry.html#storylink=cpy

    Way to go OC advocates...

    You have to actually go out of your way to OC a long gun in public, but it's practical and necessary how??? :confused::confused::confused:

    That's what you get for scaring the sheep...

    That's what you get for testing LEO's and wasting their valuable time when they could have been out doing more constructive things instead of dealing with azzhattery and idiocy...

    Ca. can suck it...
     

  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Well, it's Kalifornia, so it's not such a stretch. At least a couple of them get it.

     
  3. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    OK, how do the good guys tell which cops are good or bad? They all open carry loaded and they all have uniforms and badges.

    I do not think the open carry people are in the right here by making the staments they are trying to make. That mentality is what led to making open carry of handguns illegal. Open carrying in a city is stupid to be sure, but having your rifle in the gun rack when you go into town should not be a crime.
     
  4. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    ...supported by CA Law Enforcement?

    That rips it...EFF CA and it's Cops...if you CA LEO Ass Hats can't tell the difference between a gan banger with an AK and Bubby Open Carry advocate with his Remi 12 Guage...:rolleyes:

    If you CA LEO Ass Hats have not figured out that the criminal "conceals" his illegal gun and the citizen does not...well, you schmucks deserve the round you wil eventually catch.

    The citizens respect for your badge has limits and it ends when you no longer respect the citizens gun.

    Gutless bastards are lucky there are only 20 or so real men left in that state.

    Tack
     
  5. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Hey Viking, I think I have a pretty good idea for the cops to tell good guys from bad guys...

    Maybe they could wait for a crime to be committed?
     
  6. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Well Duh! But if this is signed into law...

    Now how do we law abiding gun owners know how to tell the bad cops from the good ones?
     
  7. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Unfortunately, we can't.
     
  8. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Tack,

    This is another media misrepresentation. Most street cops, when interviewed, do not have a problem with armed civilians, either as CCW or open carry. When the police administrators reach lieutenant and captain level, they turn liberal to be able to be appointed. That's why most police chiefs are more politician than cop, and their opinion does NOT normally represent that of their men. It seems to always be the police CHIEFS associations speaking for all of law wnforcement, and it's just not true.
     
  9. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    Yes, I understand this, however, I guarantee some Ass Hat street cop will try to enforce it in a rural area when he sees a 30.30 in a pick ups gun rack.

    All I'm saying is when said Ass Hat catches a round to his nugget...I'm going to applaud the shooter.

    It's laws like these and the incompetent or arrogant officers who enforce them that puts law abiding gun owners and Cops at odds.

    At odds with legal gun owners should be the last place any intelligent cop wants to find themselves...

    If we were to see officers, through there Unions, taking a vote of "no confidence" in there Chief AFTER a public statement like this, I'd be singing a different tune...but I'm not holding my breath.

    Silence combined with the enforcement that will follow is GUILT.

    Hey, I used the words "intelligent" and "cop" in the same sentence...

    Think I just created a new oxymoron!

    Tack
     
  10. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    OK, I will not applaud the shooter who puts a round in Asshat's nugget, but I will say that you are right. There are asshats out there, such as our County Sheriff, who are politicians before they are LEOs. There are deputies out there who are politicians. I would not advocate putting a round in their nuggets though.
     
  11. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    So........politicians make another ridiculous law that will accomplish nothing and the ass hats are the OC people. Really? Pull your heads out. Our fight is not with OCer's it's with the politicians and the sheep. Once again some of you have demonstrated that you don't know the meaning of the word "infringe".
     
  12. Vikingdad

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    Actually yes. It is the asshat with the OC mentality that thinks he is helping the pro-gun movement by dressing out like the Gecko Kid and open carrying his AR15 to the mall parking lot that brought this crappy law about. They did not learn that they were stepping on their dicks when last year open carry of handguns was outlawed, they had to keep on stomping. It pisses me off. :mad:
     
  13. rjd3282

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    It's your opinion so you tell it anyway you want. Starting a fight with other gun owners and pro 2A people while giving the politicians and sheep a free pass is kind of stupid. It's difficult to fix a problem when you don't even know what the problem is.
     
  14. Tackleberry1

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    I did not mean to sound as though I was advocating it either. Simply stating that it WILL happen as soon as the wrong Cop tries to enforce this law against the wrong Citizen.

    We are already seeing fringe element like the "Sovereign Citizen" movement growing in numbers and boldness with the Murders of two officers last week.

    Increased tensions or worse, an actual shooting war between LEO's and Gun Owners is the last thing any of us want BUT laws like these keep popping up giving cooks an excuse.

    The problem for all of us sane folks will be the government response of registration/confiscation and the inevitable choice that brings to each of us.

    Tack

    Tack
     
  15. Vikingdad

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    I do know what the problem is here in CA, and I am not so sure that you do. The major problem we have here is that the general populace in LA and the San Francisco Bay areas (where all of the elections are decided here) are completely ignorant of guns. Because of that when somebody who is not in a police uniform is spotted with a firearm they are immediately considered to be a potential "Psycho Shooter". That is the problem. I do not give the politicians a free pass, and I do everything I can to educate the sheeple.

    I don't see how these laws give crooks any "excuses". I just see how it oppresses law abiding citizens.
     
  16. rjd3282

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    It isn't that they are ignorant about guns they are just ignorant. When the sheeple and the politicians in CA. see a woman with vagina who is not in police uniform, do they immediately consider that she is a potential prostitute? How about a man with a penis is he a potential rapist? How about a guy with a zippo is he an arsonist? Look how many bad cops CA. has why aren't they considered a potential mass murderer? They carry guns in the open. What I'm saying to you is we shouldn't be bashing the OC guys we, you and me and everyone else needs to stick together or we will all hang separately. Didn't a wise man once say something like that?
     
  17. Vikingdad

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    The comparisons you make might be humorous, but they are equally absurd. Most of the anti-gun people that I know personally here in CA are incredibly intelligent, and not the least bit ignorant in general. I would submit that nearly every one of those people that I know personally has never had any real positive exposure to firearms (and believe me, I am trying to change that) which is where their hoplophobia is rooted.

    While I strongly support the right to carry (open or concealed), I do believe that the OC guys are wrong in their tactics. Their tactics are directly responsible for us losing the legal right to open carry handguns in public and will soon cause us to lose the right to open carry long guns in public as well.

    Thomas Paine said “If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.”, and I do believe that in the context of Paine's statement the OC guys are hanging themselves and all of the rest of us along with them. I live in a rural part of one of the most liberal counties in CA, in order for me to walk from my house down to the lower part of my property where I can legally shoot I must walk next to the county road for a few yards. I frequently will open carry in that circumstance (matter of fact, my son just shot a deer this evening after we walked down to our deer stand) and under the proposed legislation this could be illegal in the future. Now, I have been doing this for years, when I was a kid in this same neighborhood we would carry our .22 rifles down the road. Now a bunch of OC protesters decide to "make a statement" and OC in the strongly liberal cities and I am supposed to support them? All they have achieved is to further tighten the noose around our necks.

    Now, I have never been to Lima Ohio, but I have been to Avon Lake, Akron, Cincinnati, Columbus, Marysville, Youngstown, Mecca, and many other parts of your state. Granted this was in the late 1980's but at that time I did not see one single person open carrying anywhere at any time. At the same time I spent a lot of time in various pars of Arizona and frequently saw people open carrying in the northern parts, but never in Phoenix, Chandler, or any of the major cities. I would submit that both Ohio and Arizona are markedly different than California. Please accept that.
     
  18. rjd3282

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    I think you've spent to much time in Ca. It's starting to warp your thinking. People routinely open carry in Ohio. In fact people even organize open carry days to keep the police informed. We don't feel the need to protest like the guys in Ca. because we are not being oppressed. You are telling me with your statements that you now want to take away the OCer's right to protest. Hasn't the state of Ca. taken away enough of your rights?