Okay so I have my ccw permit for the state of Ohio, but I'm also interested in open carrying occasionally. I'm just trying to find out the details. I've done some research and called local police but still can't get the answers or info I'm looking for. Anybody live in Ohio and open carry?
I belive that federal law allows privately owned businesses of any state the right to deny you service because of it. I've kicked people out off my store for both open and concealed, which wasn't well enough concealed. One was a US Marshall. He showed me a business card but no badge. I told him he could conceal it or take to car. He took to car and came back. Some podunk came in with pocket carry and grip sticking half way out. Unacceptable to me so I told him to tuck it or leave. He tried to explain the convenience and how hard it is to pull whole gun out when completely in pocket and I almost went off on him, but I remained professional, reiterated store policy and he left. I live in NW Oregon, liberal central, my business will not suffer no matter how much I support gun ownership and carrying. Many businesses in bigger cities will feel this way. I've open carried in several local stores in my small town and it seems commonly accepted, but I'm sure if I went to Portland it would be a completely different story.
Austin I live in Ohio and I carry discretely in Ohio almost all the time, as I don't usually tuck my shirt over my custom leather IWB 1911 at 2 Oclock. Only the grip is exposed and with my shirts that pull up a bit, they tend to "drape over" the biggest part of the gun. And most people don't notice since they aren't looking for a gun. I'm skinny so I can carry a full size 1911 and not print. Case in point, I have been stopping at my cell fone store to dsicuss issues with my IPhone. I usually deal with the same saleslady. Only after the 4th visit with her did she finally notice my gun. He comment was, "Wow, I only just noticed you have your CCW!" I explained that I carry 100% and shrugged it off. (we spent the next half hour talking about guns and shooting since the store was empty. She's MY kind of woman....) A few will notice and ask me about it and I always take time to explain in words anyone (except liberals) can understand and accept. I liken it to their car insurance, have it but don't want to use it.... There are times I wear an untucked shirt or light jacket. I dislike winter since I have to bundle up to stay warm, making it hard to access the gun if I need it. I carry into my bank all the time, movie theaters, grocery stores, gas stations and don't worry if I get "made". Well, I carry 100% of the time, even in my home bcuz my holster makes it very comfortable. I travel to Indiana every weekend, too, and carry the same way there, since their law says thet allow me to carry based on the Ohio law. At least that's the way I interpreted what I read about their law. BOX, why would you insult people by running them out of your place of business ??!? I can understand the punk-pocket-carrier but the Marshall and others ?
No insult, I tell them store policy, make them aware that I am a licensed carrier myself and understand but it's not allowed. Just as outlined with Marshall I tell them they can place the firearm securely in their vehicle or conceal it and come right back. This far the Marshall responded well and two others didn't come back. I do it for other customers who aren't use to seeing guns exposed in every day shopping situation. Their reactions have been clear. They pull children close and rush through transaction of simply leave. I won't have that and I wouldn't expect anyone else to. Nothing wrong with what I do at all.
BOX Being one of us SHEEPDOGS (at least I'm assuming you would come to the defense of someone who is in dire straits) why do you choose to disarm someone who is one of our brothers, rather than to simply "I didn't see/notice" that someone is legally armed ? It sounds to me like you have this barney fife complex that makes you feel SO GOOD bcuz you followed that stupid liberal philosophy of "nobody should have a gun" so you push them out the door. I would simply suggest, in a whisper to the person who let one slip, "you might consider fixing your ZIPPER". or something like that. Why dig out your imaginary badge of honor that might let someone get killed ? Do you get a bonus for everyone you run ? Long story short, YES, it IS an insult to run them out, especially if they are a USMarshall. If you ever have the chance to sit in on the 1-day seminar given by LTC USA (RET) Dave Grossman entitled "THE BULLETPROOF MIND" do so and then during a break, talk with Dave about your action to run the LTC's out of your store. He's more eloquent than I ever could be.
If you don't already understand you never will. Trust me it wasn't insulting or the Marshall wouldn't have come back to do business with me.
I see both sides of the equation. if you are a business owner, you are not guaranteed a paycheck for punching the clock and putting your 40 hours in. Your paycheck depends on customers giving you money in trade for merchandise that you have on the shelves, or performing whatever service it is that you do. If a lawfully licensed conceal carry holder is so lazy with his CONCEALED weapon, that it can be seen by the business owner and every other customer in the place...and it starts scaring customers away because they're afraid of guns, guess what? you as the business owner are watching dollars walk out of your front door, and going across the street to your competition. I don't see this as anything to do with a barney fife complex. If the gun was visible and the store owner saw it, you can bet that other customers saw it too. if the store owner just quietly says "hey you're showing" and the customer sees that the business owner "didn't do anything about it" then they may still walk right out the door. but if the business owner says 'hey man, go back outside, re-conceal or put it in the car' and other customers see the guy leave, then come back, they will probably assume that the guy put it in his car, and that there's no more weapons in the store. at the end of the day, CONCEALED means CONCEALED. If the CCW holder took his obligation a little more seriously and made sure it was concealed, then this is a non-issue, because the other customers, and the business owner will not know that the CCW holder is carrying. Again, this is not a barney fife complex, or an issue of putting down your fellow "brothers" for carrying a weapon, instead, it's an issue of the CCW holder being lazy and sloppy with his concealment. Why defend him? I've read another thread on here where someone's wife bumped into a man at a chick-fil-a and noticed he was carrying, and she said 'oh, you're carrying' The guy responded back with "100% of the time" and everyone here was calling HIM a "barney fife who thinks he's gods gift to society and needs to learn to respect the CCW and not walk around like a mall rent-a-cop who thinks he's SWAT"
Anyway, as an Ohio Resident, I am aware that we have open carry here in the state, but It's impossible (ok, just VERY time consuming) to research every municipality within the state... Does anyone know of any cities in the state that have banned open carry? I know Columbus has some stricter gun laws...or at least did? I was under the impression that within the city limits of C-bus, that there was a city ordinance that required a 3-day waiting period to by a firearm...but outside the city you can walk in, pay (and pass FFL check), walk out.
CUDA If a business owner posts a 30.06 sign and notices a customer who is carrying it is his right to have the man arrested for trespass. Most that I've heard of will simply request the carrier to be "more careful" about concealing it and maybe issue a request he not bring it back, under implied threat of arrest. However, so many of the businesses I've seen that posted prohibitions have seen the light and removed their signs. You talk about being lazy about CC but I don't think it's anything about laziness. If there is a sign, and you don't want to leave your piece in the car, you ARE going to scrupulously conceal it. They don't want to be arrested by letting ANYONE know you have it. AND THEY WON'T. Ask many of us who do carry how 30.06 signs are handled. Time is spent talking with some of those owners who don't have a clue and they never have any idea they are talking with an armed person. You also exclaim "and every other customer in the place" (liken this to Chicken Little screaming "THE SKY IS FLALING").... C'Mon, Barney, GET REAL. You sound like those on the womens tv shows who want to ban all guns. What you say is irrational and you know it. There might be some who will walk out bcuz they saw "someone" with a gun in the store but realistically, NOT MANY, if any, will do that. And we also know they will be back. It's called human nature. You also infer that anyone who carries 100% is Barney Fife. Do YOU EVER carry ? So when you do, then YOU are playing that same BF. Again, get real. Ohio law protects open carry by virtue of ORC 9.68 which preempts any municipal laws prohibiting the act. This means no municipality may prohibit said carry. There are at least 2 cities/municipalities in Ohio that have gotten "slapped down" for their attempt to regulate this. Waiting periods are totally different from ANY carry law.
The laziness he spoke of appears to've been in direct reference to the instance I first spoke of. It ended there, no inferring. The inferences truly appear to be only yours. You seem to lack the reading comprehension required that of a grammar school grad. I now see what they call a troll. You've been looking for a fight since you entered this thread. Reading into things and replying as they suit your agenda.
I could bewrong here, but i don't think you know what you're talking about and speak in absurd generalities that have no backing, not even logic. Here's the facts, I work in a retail environment, have had, as stated, encountered 3 such instances where a person came in with firearm. I saw how the customers reacted with the first, this was before I knew of the corporate policy. My boss pulled me aside and informed me and let me inform him. I did so, he recited state law and I recited company policy. He got self righteous and indignant about it (just like you appear to be doing) and I refused him service proudly. This is the type of person that gives us a bad name. Second was the Marshall. It's not the children who react, it's the protective parents who react, in every situation. Kids are curious and not smart enough to know to be afraid of and respect the power of guns. How could you not realize this? He was respectful and understanding. He reacted accordingly and continued to do business as a rational minded human being would. Third was the trailer trash with the XD grip sticking half way out his pocket. He too decided to recite state law, it's amazing how ignorant people are too what little state law really covers in the private sector. I told this guy all he had to do was just push it in while he was in the store. A more than reasonable request. Here there were no other customers in the store, but anyone who would've walked in could easily have seen it and in yuppville liberal central where I work it would be considered threatening. I don't blame anyone. I consider open carry an aggressive action looking for trouble in a city environment.
Explain why - Open Carry I recently read that open carry is legal in my state. I am a strong advocate for concealed carry. I feel that all that are mentally and physically capable should exercise their right. Many years ago I carried openly with my LEO ID also visible. And I chose to carry concealed when off-duty. With a change in profession I continue to carry daily, concealed. However, this weekend I was shopping at Academy Sports and noticed a young man, exercising his open carry rights. No jacket or any intent of concealing the Blackhawk holster and S&W with extended mag. Based on experience I am 99% sure that he was not law enforcement. I was aware that this is legal in my state, but I was still uncomfortable with it. Other than the gun on his hip, the young man's behavior was not particularly unusual. He browsed the fishing department like most of the Christmas shoppers. As we enjoyed our Christmas shopping he stayed on my radar. If his behavior had changed I would have confronted him or reacted decisively. My question is...Why would someone want this type of attention?
RoGrr... I have better things to do with my time than search back through here a few months to find the thread about the man who was carrying in the Chick-Fil-A and how the consensus here was that the man was a bafoon, acting like a self-imposed figure of authority, and in general, was the type of person who create a bad name for concealed carry. He was arrogant, brash, and full of bravado (according to the way the story was relayed here, and again, the general consensus of those who replied to that thread) So you can either take my word for it and know that I'm right about the information that was in that thread, or you can search it yourself, post a link, and prove me wrong. How can it be that someone in THAT story was an example of a bad CCW holder, yet suddenly, in this thread when a bad CCW holder walks into a private business, it's perfectly ok, and it's time to go after the business owner for being against the 2nd amendment? I say "Bad CCW Holder" because they were so careless with their CCW that people could see the weapon and knew he was carrying. If people can see your weapon, guess what...IT'S NOT CONCEALED! I'm well aware of the signs and what they mean too. I calmly ignore them. Yet my weapon has been concealed, and remained concealed, and nobody ever knew that I was carrying a concealed weapon. When you are doing it right, nobody knows you're carrying, and no store owner/employee will ever ask you to leave the premises. If you're doing it wrong, and the store owner/employee and others around you can see your CCW, then you fail at carrying a concealed weapon and need to re-think your actions.
