I'm not very religious, but it's a damn shame when the people in the choir have to stash tazers under their robes.
One dead in Illinois church shooting
For all those people who do not carry in certain places-like church. Man, I thought Illinois was a safe state, with all the anti-gun laws! I guess it just doesn't work-does it?
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guns in church
If a person needs to carry a gun anywhere, it should be church. A lot of nuts come to places like that to kick up trouble...
If a person needs to carry a gun anywhere, it should be church. A lot of nuts come to places like that to kick up trouble...
yeah....the murder count per year has been dropping since we had the highest some years back, i think it was 2006.
but supposedly some of that is economics related, with overall crime dropping in general. i can guarantee chicago will credit it to something they did rather than eliminated. they just recently shifted a large number of chicago police from desk jobs back to patrol, which was more budget related so they could close up three old stations. likely they will credit the increased patrols as opposed to the lifted handgun ban.
whats interesting is chicago still maintains one of if not the highest murder rates, that being more handgun homicides per person, higher than NYC and LA, i think we compete with Baltimore for the top spot...and i think that is just related to some of the hoods being hot...and hot is apparently constantly....
there were 20 shootings just this past friday night in chicago and most of em in the same areas they always are....
I'm for CCW all the way
but supposedly some of that is economics related, with overall crime dropping in general. i can guarantee chicago will credit it to something they did rather than eliminated. they just recently shifted a large number of chicago police from desk jobs back to patrol, which was more budget related so they could close up three old stations. likely they will credit the increased patrols as opposed to the lifted handgun ban.
whats interesting is chicago still maintains one of if not the highest murder rates, that being more handgun homicides per person, higher than NYC and LA, i think we compete with Baltimore for the top spot...and i think that is just related to some of the hoods being hot...and hot is apparently constantly....
there were 20 shootings just this past friday night in chicago and most of em in the same areas they always are....
I'm for CCW all the way
Pray tell, what is it about churches that attracts these
gun-totting maniacs to open fire on innocent people? I
still cannot figure that out. If one wishes to open fire on
people, there are lots and lots of targets available to them
(e.g.) drug dealers, pedophiles, corporate warlords, etc.
Why church-goers? Is it because they can't fire back?
gun-totting maniacs to open fire on innocent people? I
still cannot figure that out. If one wishes to open fire on
people, there are lots and lots of targets available to them
(e.g.) drug dealers, pedophiles, corporate warlords, etc.
Why church-goers? Is it because they can't fire back?
Im sorry but i refuse to live in a state where there's no CC I mean it wont change how criminal feel either way but i would feel much more comfortable knowing i got my G23 packed with HP's on my hip...just saying. I hope for all the innocent people in states like that something changes.
I mean it wont change how criminal feel either way but i would feel much more comfortable knowing i got my G23 packed with HP's on my hip...just saying. I hope for all the innocent people in states like that something changes.
The Illinois House got HB 148 up for a vote. Which in itself is a huge success in Illinois. It failed to get the required 71 votes. It needed 71 because the Speaker (Madigan) required a 'super majority' because it would effect home rule (which means you are going against Chicago really). Quinn stated if it were presented before him he would veto, but if the 71 votes were achived it would have been veto proof. The bill can still be brought up again I think until May, or about May for another vote as it was pulled before things were finalized.
That said there still has been a lot of progress. Getting 65 votes to support 148 is huge. There were more, but when it hit the fan and Quinn/Madigan made their phone calls, they backed out, so we ended up with 65.
There are currently (2) lawsuits active in Illinois that are interesting. 1. The SAF & Illinois Carry (Moore vs Madigan) suit is for a temporary injunction against prohibitions on firearms carry in public by law-abiding citizens.. It has been heard and we are awaiting a ruling from Sue Myerscough Springfield District Federal Court.
Orders and Opinions, USDC-ILC Scroll down to Myerscough, Sue, E. Officially the case is Moore v. Madigan, 11-cv-3134, U.S. District Court, Central District of Illinois (Springfield).
2. Suit brought by the ISRA & NRA, seeks to overturn the State’s Unlawful Use of Weapon’s and Aggravated Unlawful Use of Weapons statutes.
This is MY understanding of the situation, but you can find more info from the links listed below. I apologize if my terms are not correct, I am not a lawyer, and it's early.
Good things are happening and everyone is needed to get in the fight if you are not, join one of the groups listed. Perhaps within a year or two we will have, 'some kind' of right to carry law, then we can work to make it right.
Illinois Carry - A Website Dedicated To Advancing Conceal Carry For Illinois
Illinois State Rifle Association
Second Amendment Foundation Online
That said there still has been a lot of progress. Getting 65 votes to support 148 is huge. There were more, but when it hit the fan and Quinn/Madigan made their phone calls, they backed out, so we ended up with 65.
There are currently (2) lawsuits active in Illinois that are interesting. 1. The SAF & Illinois Carry (Moore vs Madigan) suit is for a temporary injunction against prohibitions on firearms carry in public by law-abiding citizens.. It has been heard and we are awaiting a ruling from Sue Myerscough Springfield District Federal Court.
Orders and Opinions, USDC-ILC Scroll down to Myerscough, Sue, E. Officially the case is Moore v. Madigan, 11-cv-3134, U.S. District Court, Central District of Illinois (Springfield).
2. Suit brought by the ISRA & NRA, seeks to overturn the State’s Unlawful Use of Weapon’s and Aggravated Unlawful Use of Weapons statutes.
This is MY understanding of the situation, but you can find more info from the links listed below. I apologize if my terms are not correct, I am not a lawyer, and it's early.
Good things are happening and everyone is needed to get in the fight if you are not, join one of the groups listed. Perhaps within a year or two we will have, 'some kind' of right to carry law, then we can work to make it right.
Illinois Carry - A Website Dedicated To Advancing Conceal Carry For Illinois
Illinois State Rifle Association
Second Amendment Foundation Online
That incident is indeed very sad.
Respectfully, where was God when this happened, especially since this man made his way into "his house" and committed such a horrific crime?
Respectfully, where was God when this happened, especially since this man made his way into "his house" and committed such a horrific crime?
I think you might just have opened Pandora's box on that.....no disrespect.IGETEVEN said:That incident is indeed very sad.
Respectfully, where was God when this happened, especially since this man made his way into "his house" and committed such a horrific crime?
Very tragic
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