One dead in Illinois church shooting

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by BILLYBOB44, Mar 8, 2009.

  1. BILLYBOB44

    BILLYBOB44 Active Member

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    For all those people who do not carry in certain places-like church. Man, I thought Illinois was a safe state, with all the anti-gun laws! I guess it just doesn't work-does it?:confused:
     
  2. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I'm not very religious, but it's a damn shame when the people in the choir have to stash tazers under their robes.
     

  3. Redley

    Redley New Member

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    guns in church

    If a person needs to carry a gun anywhere, it should be church. A lot of nuts come to places like that to kick up trouble...:eek:
     
  4. BioInclined

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    There as been a lot of push for CC in Illinois recently, especially in Cook County, one of the most strict areas. Little progress has been made but really don't know if we'd be better off with or without it.
     
  5. JonM

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    nice ebola pic.

    you would be better off with conceal carry. armed ciizenry helps lower crime every place its tried. the more guns the lower the crime.
     
  6. fmj

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    after SCOTUS heller ruling crime in Chitcago actually DROPPED!

    How could THAT be??? We ALL know less guns = less crime! Right?? Just ask that idiot Helmke! Or King Dick Daly!
     
  7. Mack Bolan

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    yeah....the murder count per year has been dropping since we had the highest some years back, i think it was 2006.

    but supposedly some of that is economics related, with overall crime dropping in general. i can guarantee chicago will credit it to something they did rather than eliminated. they just recently shifted a large number of chicago police from desk jobs back to patrol, which was more budget related so they could close up three old stations. likely they will credit the increased patrols as opposed to the lifted handgun ban.

    whats interesting is chicago still maintains one of if not the highest murder rates, that being more handgun homicides per person, higher than NYC and LA, i think we compete with Baltimore for the top spot...and i think that is just related to some of the hoods being hot...and hot is apparently constantly....

    there were 20 shootings just this past friday night in chicago and most of em in the same areas they always are....

    I'm for CCW all the way :cool:
     
  8. PanBaccha

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    Pray tell, what is it about churches that attracts these
    gun-totting maniacs to open fire on innocent people? I
    still cannot figure that out. If one wishes to open fire on
    people, there are lots and lots of targets available to them
    (e.g.) drug dealers, pedophiles, corporate warlords, etc.
    Why church-goers? Is it because they can't fire back?
    :eek:
     
  9. Shade

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    Actually alot of progress has been made, the state congress passed a CCW
    law but it was not veto proof, and Quinn vetoed it, as he promised to. But
    Quinn has armed escort provided by our taxes so what does he care? The
    whole thing was kept fairly quiet by the MSM.

    Really? Criminals do not like armed victims; it makes for a hazardous work
    place. We are the last state without it, every state has shown that crime
    drops when victims are armed. We also need to strengthen our Castle laws.

    But then again if they keep jacking up our taxes I am gonna have to move...
     
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  10. vincent

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    I saw that stat but the arson rate in Chicago INCREASED so I suppose more guns = more arson...look for that one on the Brady site next
     
  11. BioInclined

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    I understand how it can lower crime, I wish they would do it. There has been plenty of times in my life had I had something on my hip I may have intervened verbally and go from there. I am a bit new to the entire situation on where they are but mind you, I'm not here because I understand what guns are capable of mentally and physically. We would need much more gun education or at least push locking them up safely.
     
  12. fmj

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    LMAO!! Indeed!

    How very liberal of you! I only lock my guns in the safe to keep them from getting STOLEN. I leave certain guns in certain areas of the house and have NO worries (well few) of my kids using them in a unsafe way. My house is rpolly one of THE best protected in the ghetto for this reason.



    I VERY MUCH agree with the education part of your post!
     
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  13. Glockpotion23

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    Im sorry but i refuse to live in a state where there's no CC:eek: I mean it wont change how criminal feel either way but i would feel much more comfortable knowing i got my G23 packed with HP's on my hip...just saying. I hope for all the innocent people in states like that something changes.
     
  14. KingWalleye

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    Just to be factually accurate here the ccw law was not passed or vetoed by Quinn. It needed 71 votes to supercede Chicago home rule and to make it "veto proof". It failed with 65 votes but it is still alive and may come up for vote again this month.
    Ideally one of two lawsuits would get us a ccw law by forcing the legislature to find the 71 votes that are needed or face Constitutional Carry.
     
  15. jonbouy

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    The Illinois House got HB 148 up for a vote. Which in itself is a huge success in Illinois. It failed to get the required 71 votes. It needed 71 because the Speaker (Madigan) required a 'super majority' because it would effect home rule (which means you are going against Chicago really). Quinn stated if it were presented before him he would veto, but if the 71 votes were achived it would have been veto proof. The bill can still be brought up again I think until May, or about May for another vote as it was pulled before things were finalized.
    That said there still has been a lot of progress. Getting 65 votes to support 148 is huge. There were more, but when it hit the fan and Quinn/Madigan made their phone calls, they backed out, so we ended up with 65.
    There are currently (2) lawsuits active in Illinois that are interesting. 1. The SAF & Illinois Carry (Moore vs Madigan) suit is for a temporary injunction against prohibitions on firearms carry in public by law-abiding citizens.. It has been heard and we are awaiting a ruling from Sue Myerscough Springfield District Federal Court.
    Orders and Opinions, USDC-ILC Scroll down to Myerscough, Sue, E. Officially the case is Moore v. Madigan, 11-cv-3134, U.S. District Court, Central District of Illinois (Springfield).
    2. Suit brought by the ISRA & NRA, seeks to overturn the State’s Unlawful Use of Weapon’s and Aggravated Unlawful Use of Weapons statutes.
    This is MY understanding of the situation, but you can find more info from the links listed below. I apologize if my terms are not correct, I am not a lawyer, and it's early. :)
    Good things are happening and everyone is needed to get in the fight if you are not, join one of the groups listed. Perhaps within a year or two we will have, 'some kind' of right to carry law, then we can work to make it right.
    Illinois Carry - A Website Dedicated To Advancing Conceal Carry For Illinois
    Illinois State Rifle Association
    Second Amendment Foundation Online
     
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  16. gollygee

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    I hope your Illinois bill goes right for you next time. I have a son that lives near the Chicago area. When we'd go to visit him, it was an eerie feeling to know I was traveling in a state that did not believe I have the right to defend myself! The last time we were up there, I told him we'd seen all the sights we needed to see in that area & we'd have to arrange to meet somewhere else the next time we saw him. So, last year he came to see us in Texas. I think Illinois has seen the last of my expendible money.
     
  17. orangello

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    Sounds like a good policy. Vote with your dollars; that's all the politicians really want anyway.
     
  18. IGETEVEN

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    That incident is indeed very sad.

    Respectfully, where was God when this happened, especially since this man made his way into "his house" and committed such a horrific crime? :(
     
  19. g17frantz

    g17frantz New Member

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    I think you might just have opened Pandora's box on that.....no disrespect.
    Very tragic
     
  20. MrWray

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    Cant anything remain sacred anymore??? There are two places where you should feel totally safe...thats your home and the house of God. Its a real shame that some worthless waste of space would go to a church and do something like that. I know that we are taught to never have true hatred for anyone but so help me if anyone ever threatens my family with violence, my face will be the last thing they see.