? on .22LR for use in a pistol

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by kirbinster, Mar 30, 2013.

  1. kirbinster

    kirbinster New Member

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    Its really tough to find .22LR these days and I have seen some that says you should not use it in a semi-auto pistol. So, my question is what is the difference between the various types of .22LR ammo and what should I look for and what should I avoid to use in a .22 conversion kit for my 1911?
     
  2. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    What else would you use? :p
    About the only way to see what your gun likes is to try it-Right now buy & try what you can find-
    As for the conversion i'd suggest you just buy a 1911-22 ;)
     

  3. kirbinster

    kirbinster New Member

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    I guess I am asking what have people found to be good versus bad so I don't have to reinvent the wheel and end up buying stuff that is known to not cycle well in my Kimber .22LR Conversion.
     
  4. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    I have found CCI Mini-Mags to work flawlessly. Winchester red-box works better than most. Federal is not very reliable. Remington (other than Stingers or Yellow Jackets) is the worst.

    You will generally have better luck with the hotter 22 loads.

    The reason some don't recommend it in a semi-auto is because of its less than stellar reliability for some brands. With a revolver, you just pull the trigger again. With a semi-auto, you are out of the game at least until you clear it.

    I still wouldn't hesitate to get a 22 conversion for my 45 just for plinking. But I'd rather have a dedicated 22-1911. A Kimber 22 conversion will run over $300 with magazines. That is already in the price range of a new gun.
     
  5. kirbinster

    kirbinster New Member

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    Thanks. I guess my confusion is I have seen some that is listed as subsonic which I guess I should avoid. I have also seen grain weights from around 20 to 40.

    I have only used CCI mini mags, and they have worked flawlessly. They cost about 11 cents a round at my range, while I have seen some .22LR rounds on ammobot for 5 or 6 cents. Obviouly if I can pay half the price I like that better.

    You are correct about the price of the conversion kit approaching the price of a dedicated gun. However, I live in the People's Republic of NJ where we have to get pistol permits to buy a gun, and are limitted to one gun a month, and instant background checks are taking 8 or 9 days. So, I did not want to go through that just to shoot .22 at the range. I recently got a very good deal on a slightly used Kimber Eclipse Custom II .45 ACP that came with the conversion kit as well.
     
  6. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Get a SIG 1911-22. Less than $400

    The "subsonic" ammo is Match-Target ammo. Very accurate.
     
  7. Overkill0084

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    Much probably depends on the pistol.

    Standard velocity ammo might have more issues in a Ruger Mk3or maybe one of those .22 1911s, (or it might not, I've never really messed with it.) I know that CCI high velocity ammo (Blazer & Mini Mag) has been excellent in my Ruger.
    However if you own a S&W Model 41 or some other serious match pistol, it's quite likely that quality standard velocity/match ammo will have no issues at all.
    The biggest issue is liable to be recoil or lack thereof. With most semi autos, more is better for cycling the action. Thus, high velocity ammo's added power will very likely cycle more pistols without drama.
     
  8. spif

    spif New Member

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    I don't have a 22 conversion for my 1911 but I do shoot a lot of 22's in my High Standard Trophy. In the older High Standard's I shoot standard velocity only. I usually use CCI or Eley sport. There have been a lot of reports of cracked frames in these guns. They crack between the slide stop and mag well. Subsonic's too light to make it function. Everyone that I know says the they like CCI mini mags in their 1911 conversions. Good luck finding anything now!
     
  9. aandabooks

    aandabooks New Member

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    I have run CCI Mini-Mags very reliably in both my Colt 1911 .22 and Ruger Mark III 22/45. Occasionaly I will put some Federals through and they have also been good.

    I personally would not buy a conversion for a 1911. The Colt, GSG and a couple others all look like great 1911 .22s. I'd stay away from the Browning because it is 85%.
     
  10. coyotex

    coyotex New Member

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    I have alot of experience in using .22lr ammo = if I were going to use .22 in a handgun or rifle for self-defense (Aquila 60 Gr.n subsonic sniper's are the bomb) Ive cronographed these through a 10/22 - 20" barrel and they run at 900 fps = ALOT of energy for a .22 and they always cycle and are accurate = slower is good as far as accuracy in a .22, the really fast stuff buffets and accuracy suffers. Heavy is always good - rimfire or centerfire but especially with rimfire because wind effect its greatly reduced and it will do more damage because of tumbling efffect. A 60 gr.n bullet is heavier than the 55 gr.n >223/5.56 fmj which is the most common projectile used in our military. At 900 fps it will cycle any semi-auto hangun or rifle (Ive used them in my Ruger Mark 2 and my 10/22 with NO FTE's) using my pistol it left a hole that resembled a .38 in an old fiberglass boat hull while Aquila 1750 fps left a perfect .22 hole. Expect to pay about $6 a box but its not plinking ammo anyway. I personally am not a fan of .22 conversions in AR's or 1911's but if you must go that route then you probably want fast/high energy ammo to ensure no cycling issues. Hope this helps = I keep a brick of 60Grn. Aquila as a stash = its GREAT stuff people.
     
  11. apwvsd40ve

    apwvsd40ve New Member

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    The ammo you are questioning is probably aguila super colibri. 20 gr. Bullet and primer propelled...does not cycle at all in a semi-auto Bc they are too short...however my revolver loves them for plinking close range. DO NOT use them in a rifle either...projectile jams easily in a long barrel.
     
  12. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    Anything CCI is great. CCI blazer bulk, ran 100 flawless rounds in 1 day. Awesome company.
     
  13. coyotex

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    I own a few High Standards and compete in bullseye with one and have shot as high as master-level before (was having a great day = usually stay at expert level though) I would never run anything over 1100 fps in these pistols because they are old/valuable,and too much speed makes acccuracy suffer. If you didnt already know,you can buy after-market barrels with integrated rails built on top of them for optics mounting. Takes about 30 seconds to switch them out. Brownells sells them.
     
  14. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It probably left that big hole because it was tumbling. The 60 grain Aguila needs a 1:9 twist to stabilize properly.
     
  15. coyotex

    coyotex New Member

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    Not trying to be a smart a@@ = but of course it tumbled = thats why I would recommend using it as self-defense in a hangun or a rifle. We have tested it at 109 yd.s (100 meters) with our 10/22's which do not have 1/9 twist and we were hiting an 8 " diameter swinging target EVERY time using a little Kentucky windage @ 100 meters. This is GREAT ammo for your pistol if thats what your carrying cause it will tumble no matter how close or how far = Wicked = not wanting to argue,just wanting you guys to know that weve tested this stuff and I for one am a big believer in it. I personally prefer .40 or .357 for self defense.
     
  16. coyotex

    coyotex New Member

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    PLEASE do not try to use colibris in anything but a .22 revolver cause you could shoot a squib (doesnt exit barrel) just in case you arent familiar with the word. If you pull the trigger again = God help you friend cause your gonna need his help. Im holding a box of Super Colibris in my hand and I have shot them in a .22 revolver and I know that the lack of noise is very nice for a multitude of reasons but even at 20 gr.ns they are only primer propelled and can be ultra dangerous if not used in the proper firearm (just confirming and trying to add how dangerous these puppies truely are if not properly used)
     
  17. apwvsd40ve

    apwvsd40ve New Member

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    Hence my original post...but thanks for verifying....perfect can busters in the backyard!