Omaha Nebraska Mall Shooting

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by pioneer461, Dec 6, 2007.

  1. pioneer461

    pioneer461 New Member

    938
    0
    0
    Early reports indicate the Omaha Mall shooter was a screwed up 19 year old. He had been “kicked out” by his parents, so a well intentioned, but naive (read liberal) mother of a friend gave him shelter, so she could “help” him. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve dealt with similar situations, which almost always end in tragedy, although usually not on such a grand scale.

    The weapon is being reported as an “AK47,” but we shall see what it actually turns out to be. The rifle was stolen from his step-father (the same one who kicked him out?), which is another argument for every gun owner having a gun safe. At least the chief didn't call it an "assault weapon." Yet.

    The kid was a loser, with a drug and alcohol problem, who’s parents had given up on him. He is a school drop-out who couldn’t maintain a job or personal relationships. The Omaha police chief said it also appears the mall was chosen because it's a large public place where he'd get a lot of attention. In one of his notes, he wrote, “I'm a piece of **** and now I'm going to be famous.”

    As we learn more, the media will eventually come around to focusing on the evil gun, and renew the clarion call for more gun “control.” The Second Amendment will no doubt come under renewed attack, but given the fact that this punk shot up the mall in order to become famous, like Klebold & Harris, I wonder if the First Amendment free press clause come under attack too? Somehow I don’t think so.

    I wonder if Westroads Mall is a gun free zone? Their web site doesn’t say.
     
  2. slwarren

    slwarren New Member

    49
    0
    0
    Hello all! I'm new to this website, but a long time gun enthusiast. I recently got my CCL, Hearing about this news just proves one more reason more people should carry. I think I remember seeing a sign at our local malls. I would think it would be like this at most malls sadly. It seems like most places are banning guns now. It doesn't really make sense. How often do you hear about someone with their CCL shooting a store they're in? It's always about someone just walking in and shooting.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2007

  3. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

    607
    1
    0
    This is very tragic indeed. These type of people make me sick. Rather than working hard and becoming famous for doing something good they feel the need to destroy numerous families just to be remembered. Just because they couldn't adjust and learn to live a meaningful life they have to do things like this. I could care less if this scum bag killed himself, but to take down so many innocent people just to "go out in style" which I heard was also in one of the notes her wrote is absurd.

    What are the current numbers? Last I heard 8 dead 5 injured 3 critical.
     
  4. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

    3,865
    0
    0
    I was a screwed up 19 year old loser with a drug and alcohol problem. My dad kicked my *** and I joined the army. I turned out pretty well. He just really needed to get his *** kicked a couple of times.

    I feel for the families of the victims.
     
  5. bkt

    bkt New Member

    6,964
    0
    0
    Well, that didn't take long. Ask candidates why military guns OK'd for public, advocate urges.

    Paul, if you want your wishes to come true, get elected king. Until then, your opinions are worth less than I paid for them.

    What really pisses me off is the amount of disinformation this guy knowingly spews to an uninformed electorate.
     
  6. Boris

    Boris New Member

    441
    0
    0
    Gentlemen

    Firstly let me express from everyone over here our profound sadness on the news of this cowardly criminal act, there is little anyone can say about such events.

    I am unfamilar with US domestic politics let alone some of the personalities involved, where they stand on gun control, either for or against. If the European example is to be taken the anti gun lobby may well appeal direct to the general electerate, of whom even in the US is far larger than the hardcore shooting community. They will all go with the flow of public concern.

    The mere idea that the banning of firearms will end crimes of this nature is nothing sort of idiotic, which they of course know, but in the short term will calm the general public. In the UK last month the Home Office broke the news of a sweeping success against inner city gun violence, coordinated raids across the country, netted 1800 plus handguns, taken out of the hands of career criminals (sounds good, I'll vote for that?). But out of the operation as I understand it only one actual firearm was recovered, a Glock 19 with 10 rounds, the rest, plastic toys and immitations! They are running out of excuses, it is illegal in the UK to possess a handgun. Just before he left office than crackpot Tony Blair said after a shooting incident in Manchester, 'We are looking to review gun legislation', someone ought to have told him there is nothing left to legistate about, the goverment have got all the legal guns!

    But to the case in hand, Pioneer mentioned that this man stole the rifle from his step father, and the point about securing weapons is well made. The step father given the boy's history did not deem fit to report the theft of the weapon, and I have no doubt will tell the authorities he didn't realise it was missing.......... Well I don't know about you guys but I know if the wife has had the audasity to enter my gunroom to polish the safe, let alone take a gun.

    I am not one to witch hunt as we still do not know the full circumstances, but the owner of the weapon must take the responsibility of security for the weapon, all of you guys who have been in the military or police have it drilled into us from day one, now we are out it's just the same, as it should be for all firearms owners.

    Over to you Ron.......
     
  7. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

    3,865
    0
    0
    I've seen quite a bit of anti-gun propaganda on the news over the past few days. Unfortunately, the uninformed voters will probably take this propaganda to heart when voting in the upcoming election.
     
  8. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

    607
    1
    0
    I doubt it was an actual AK47, I hope they get an actual gun expert to verify what type of gun it is so people are properly informed.

    I've seen many police officers who don't know jack squat about guns, so if it was a police officer who ID'ed the gun I'm skeptical that he was right. I once was watching cops and a police officer picked up what was clearly an SKS and said "Yeah I found an AK47 full auto".
     
  9. Boris

    Boris New Member

    441
    0
    0
    It really doesn't matter what kind of gun it was, does it? Eight people are dead, it could have been a blunderbus, that's not the point. We should concentrate on how this bleeding crackpot, who was obviously not a fit and proper person to be in possession of a sling shot, let alone a semi-automatic rifle got his hands on one.

    My experience with US police officers is quite the contrary, most of them that I have had anything to do with can spot an AK/AKM, in fact most of us can, after all they are seen on CNN every five minutes........
     
  10. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

    607
    1
    0
    It may seem like a minor detail but all it does is spread more and more misinformation. You see, no one is trying to keep us from owning a blunderbuss, but they are trying to ban "assault" rifles.

    I would say 8 out of 10 people when seeing this:
    [​IMG]

    Would assume it is a fully automatic weapon. That kind of ignorance is not good for anyone especially gun activists.
     
  11. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

    607
    1
    0
    From what I've heard now the gun was actually an SKS.
     
  12. Boris

    Boris New Member

    441
    0
    0
    I understand your point, but the issue here is not the type of weapon used, I understand that it looks like a nasty military rifle, so is an SKS, in my view the gun activist should be prepared to denouce such cowardly actions and take the wider view of joining the debate on why this sort of thing is going on.

    The general public must be drawn into the debate, they want the reason for this man's behaviour, and how he came into the possession of the rifle in the first place, when he was obviously to those who knew him to be disturbed with a criminal record. Lets face it guns have been around along time, so why in the last few years has this been a problem, lack of respect, lack of social responsibility, I don't know I am not a shrink. I do know it's not a gun problem, it's a social one, the anti gun lobby know that. The difficult job is to educate the public to the truth.

    The anti gun lobby is not just trying to take away semi automatic rifles they want the lot, even the blunderbus if they can, make no mistake. Thanks for the picture, I know what a AKM looks like, that one looks a little beat up....
     
  13. cnorman18

    cnorman18 New Member

    457
    0
    0
    --

    Looks like it was indeed an AK.


    Personal impact for me; I've been considering buying an AK for a long time, and now I'm going to do it before it becomes impossible. Next week, in fact.

    You can still get a good-quality AK for under $500. If you want one, now looks like a good time.
     
  14. opaww

    opaww New Member

    4,868
    0
    0
    The weapon was a WASR-10, a Romanian-made semi-automatic knock-off of the AK-47, which was not covered on the last illegal assault weapons ban. The 30 round mag.s would not of been covered either sense it applied to post ban mag.s and not anything made before and there were a lot of them still on the market.

    The mall was a gun free zone which was posted as such up until the shooting then they removed the no guns allowed signs on the building. as was reported by a friend that lives there and went and looked.
     
  15. bkt

    bkt New Member

    6,964
    0
    0
    Erm...the SKS's I'm familiar with (WWII era) take clips like an M1 and don't take external magazines. One article reported on an "SKS-type weapon".

    Michelle Malkin had an image of the shooter from a security cam and it sure looked like he had a WASR10 or something similar.
     
  16. bkt

    bkt New Member

    6,964
    0
    0
    Good for you! A local gun shop has a bunch of WASR10s in stock and I'm considering it, too. (Mostly because I can't afford another AR-15 at the moment....)
     
  17. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

    607
    1
    0
    I've had trouble finding a conclusive answer to what type of gun it was. I just heard it was an SKS, I've also heard AK47. Looks like it was a WASR10.

    You've never seen an SKS with a 30 round mag attached? Look at the few farthest right.
    [​IMG]

    Not my guns unfortunately.
     
  18. bkt

    bkt New Member

    6,964
    0
    0
    All the SKS's I've seen that take mags were modified and originally didn't take mags. Were there factory-made SKS's that take AK mags?

    (Sorry, I realize this is off-topic. I'm just curious about this.)
     
  19. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

    607
    1
    0
    I'm not 100% on this but I'm pretty sure, I believe if it takes an extended detachable mag it is after market, not factory.
     
  20. Boris

    Boris New Member

    441
    0
    0
    Simonov SKS Carbine

    The Military Simonov designed SKS Carbine used throught the majority of the Soviet bloc was never manuactured or adapted by them to take detatchable magazines............