old gun no markings?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by jhaag6, Sep 20, 2012.

  1. jhaag6

    jhaag6 New Member

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    Bold action rifle wood stock. J 9300 on barrell has redhead brand leather recoil pad chicago patent 105358? Old rifle?
     
  2. silverado113

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    Need some pics and stop by the intro section when you get a chance.
     

  3. c3shooter

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    Frankly, we need better pictures- without the gun being covered by a cloth.
     
  4. 303tom

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    That is a Italian Type I Japanese Contract..............
     
  5. nitestalker

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    That is what is left of a Mauser Mdl. 1888 Comisson Rifle. The standard of the German Army before the Mdl. 1898. These are "S" Bore .323 8MM Caliber. The later "J' Bore .318 8MM was used in Mdl. 1898 of WWII.

    The Mdl. 88 Mauser had the split bridge Mannlicher type action. The Mdl.98 Mauser had the solid bridge action. These are not strong actions and you must use the correct ammo.:)
     
  6. nitestalker

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    Please ignore my post. I did not notice the lack of the magazine well in you photo.:eek:
     
  7. jhaag6

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    Will post new pictures. Looks like magazine could have been altered
     
  8. jhaag6

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    Stamp on bolt reads pb with crown over it. Also it has internal clip mqybe holds 5 or six rounds tops.

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  10. jhaag6

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    That looks pretty damn close and has some of the same stamps but the stocks look completely different. Maybe this one a bit shorter?
     
  11. 303tom

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    It`s probably been Bubbed...............
     
  12. jhaag6

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    Ya it doesnt conrinue down the barrell as far as the stock n the picture. Going to take it down to local gunsmith will keep yall informed
     
  13. Marine_ID

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    I also have rife that I inherited that has no markings. I understand it to either be a WWII era sniper rifle or a post war replica but other than stories I can't confirm with lack of markings. The optic is a Lyman Gun Sight (Alaskan) and the weapon appears to be a .30 variant or possible a .270 (which would rule out sniper rifle). The only distinguishing barrel marking is what appears to be an Amy Ordinance Bursting bomb that is turned 90 degress counter clockwise. Some pictures are attached. Thank you.
     

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  14. robertb6112

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    I think it's a 1917 enfield sporterized. Prolly a Springfield. And it should be in 30.-.06.
     
  15. robertb6112

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    The commission rifle is not a Mauser
     
  16. Marine_ID

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    The cheek weld seems a bit more raised than most pictures I've seen of the Enfield and it also has carved grooves presumable for better grips dow the stock of the rifle that made me think this might be a sniper variant. Are these features specific to Springfield's version?

    Also why are there no markings for make, model, or caliber, and what would be safe way to verify the caliber?
     
  17. robertb6112

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    Is that the marking on it?
     

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  18. c3shooter

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    THIS is the US Rifle Model 1917, commonly referred to as an Enfield. It is not the same rifle as the British Short Magazine Lee Enfield.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M1917_Enfield_-_USA_-_30-06_-_Armémuseum.jpg

    Your rifle has been altered into a civilan sporter configuration. They were originally in 30-06. There was a British version (P14) in .303 British. Markings over the chamber may have been removed/ altered during sporterization- but the scope covers that area right now..

    A gunsmith can make a chamber casting using a product called Cerrosafe. They then measure the casting with a micrometer, and can tell exactly what caliber that rifle is in NOW.
     
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  19. robertb6112

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    What's the army ordinance he explained on it? The only thing I can think of is Springfield. But I thought eddy stone, Remington and Winchester only made those rifles? I've handled and shot a friends 1917 enfield. But can't recall the markings.