Old Gun Inquiry

Discussion in 'FirearmsTalk Support and Suggestions' started by jlmonroe, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. jlmonroe

    jlmonroe New Member

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    Have an Iver Johnson 12 ga. single barrel shotgun, Ser. # 70456. Date on barrel "APR 15' 02 PATS PENDING" Brown finish. Belonged to my Great Uncle. How do I find out more info. about this gun? Original owner? Place of purchase? General value? Etc. Thanks, J L Monroe
     
  2. WILDCATT

    WILDCATT New Member

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    probably imposible.the company has been out of business for many yrs.the gun is worth what ever some one will pay.it is not collectable and many were made at low prices.$50 might be fair at most.they dont even list them in BLUE BOOK.It was a common gun sold especially cheap,for some one that could not afford any thing better.sorry,I have a few of them.same as H&R.
     

  3. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    You MIGHT be able to get a general idea of when it was made from the general
    configuration and markings, but that's about all. Iver Johnson made a gazillion
    of them, along with a greater number of small pistols. No collector interest to
    speak of. Have it checked out by a gunsmith and shoot if it's OK, otherwise
    hang it on the wall or whatever.
     
  4. OFADAN

    OFADAN New Member

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    Tell us more about the shotgun? Exposed hammer? Barrel length, rib or no rib, checkered stock or no, plain pistol grip ,choke?

    With the very little info you gave I'm going to take a guess and say it is the Champion model which was made from 1909 up until the 1970's. The 70's models had birch wood.

    Assuming it is the Champion then (sight unseen) I concur with Wildcatt and say it would sell anywhere from $35 to $75 on the extreme high end.
     
  5. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    CHAMPION
    - 10, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28, 32 ga., or .410 bore, also available in .44, .45, 12mm, or 14mm rifle cal., single barrel shotgun or rifle, 26-32 in. full barrel, exposed hammer, auto ejector, plain pistol grip stock. Mfg. 1909-56.
    Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
    $175 $150 $125 $100 $75 $50 $40
    Subtract 25% for birch stock (12 ga. only, 1970s mfg.).
    Values on both smaller gauge shotguns and rifles would be considerably higher than those listed. A mint 32 ga. might command 400% more than the listed values. Rifles will also bring premiums over values listed.
    Iver Johnson Champion models were mfg. for Montgomery Ward´s during the 1930s-1940s under the "Western-Field" name. These models were also manufactured in Canada by Cooey during the late 1920s-early 1930s. Values are similar to above.
    MATTED RIB GRADE
    - similar to Champion, except not available in 10, 24, 28, or 32 ga., solid rib, checkered stock. Mfg. 1909-48.
    Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
    $200 $175 $150 $125 $100 $75 $60
    This model has either a semi-octagon (with top matted) or jacketed breech.
    TRAP GRADE
    - similar to Matted Rib, except 32 in. full barrel, super select wood, 12 ga., vent rib. Mfg. 1926-42.
    Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%
    $350 $300 $250 $200 $150 $125 $100
    Previously manufactured in Fitchburg, MA, 1883-1984 and Jacksonville, AR 1984-1993. Formerly Johnson Bye & Co. 1871-1883. Renamed Iver Johnson & Co. in 1871 until 1891. Renamed Iver Johnson´s Arms & Cycle Works in 1891 with manufacturing moving to Fitchburg, MA. In 1975 the name changed to Iver Johnson´s Arms, Inc., and two years later, company facilities were moved to Middlesex, NJ. In 1982, production was moved to Jacksonville, AR under the trade name Iver Johnson Arms, Inc. In 1983, Universal Firearms, Inc. was acquired by Iver Johnson Arms, Inc.
    The new Iver Johnson Arms, Inc. company was formed during 2004, and currently manufactures the Raven Series, based on the M1911 design, in both .22 LR (MSR $550) and .45 ACP cals. (MSR is $525-$550), the Target Eagle Series (MSR $600), and the Model PM 30G M1 Carbine (MSR is N/A). Additionally, Iver Johnson Arms, Inc. plans on releasing the X-300 Pony pistol in .380 ACP cal., in addition to a Frontier 4-barrel derringer during 2005. Please contact the company directly for more information, including availability and pricing (see Trademark Index).
    Iver Johnson Arms was sold in March of 1987 and was acquired by American Military Arms Corporation (AMAC). AMAC ceased operations in early 1993.

    This information is out of the 26th. Edition of the Blue Book of Gun Values. I hope it is some help. Hunter Joe