OK looking for a new AR-15

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by cpttango30, Jan 1, 2010.

  1. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Ok Duh I am looking for an AR. Here is what I am going to use it for.

    1. Varmint hunting any and all small animals. So 223, 556, or 204, 243 ect... will work.

    2. I want a flat top because I ain't using no peep sights

    3. I want accuracy I am talking .5MOA or I ain't lookin at it.

    4. Budget is $1200

    The Tango was doing a prelem run on his Taxes tonight and Is going to have a few dollars left over to spend on an AR (unless the wife finds out LOL)

    Here are a few I have come across. If you know of other let me see them.

    Bushmaster - Hunting Rifles (Not sure if I want to buy from a remington co with the customer service and what not).

    Online Store — DPMS: AR-15 Rifles, Parts and Accessories. (Like this because it is a 204 and not a 223)

    Rock River Arms: Varmint Rifle EOP

    Rock River Arms: Varmint Rifle A4

    Rock River Arms: Predator Pursuit Rifle

    Stag Arms


    OH man I still need a scope.

    http://swfa.com/Nikon-6-24x50-Monarch-Riflescope-P42343.aspx

    http://swfa.com/Nikon-8-32x50-Monarch-Riflescope-P11162.aspx

    http://swfa.com/Burris-65-20x50-Fullfield-TAC-30-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P12603.aspx

    http://swfa.com/Burris-6-24x50-Black-Diamond-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P1691.aspx

    http://swfa.com/Bushnell-6-24x50-Elite-4200-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P8746.aspx

    http://swfa.com/Bushnell-45-30x50-Elite-6500-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P10930.aspx
     
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  2. dsmith84

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  3. dsmith84

    dsmith84 New Member

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    i wish my budget was as big as yours. im gettin some tax money too and i'll have about 700 to do my build i got a thread you can check it out
     
  4. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Who shoots a rifle at 5 or 10 yards. We are talking out to at lest 250 yards.
    Hand loads Nothing else. I don't buy ammo.
    60 to 62 gr V-max bullets.
    Any conditions.
    Hand loads?[/QUOTE]
    Anything from 50 out to 300+ yards. This here is varmint shooting not pistol shooting.
    Big enough to see a ground hog or Prairie Dog at 250 or 300 yards.
    As Light as I can get it.
     
  5. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Here's one with money left for goodies.
    DEL-TON

    No nothing about AR but price is nice.
     
  6. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    LOL..thought you already had this one figured out? ;)

    from the ones you had listed, I would go with the RRA 20" Predator Pursuit. Over a pound lighter than the RRA Varmint models with same length barrel, 2 stage NM trigger, winter trigger guard, free float tube, Hogue grip for starters. That stainless steel match barrel is target crowned and has the Wylde chamber and 1:8 twist. Heavy enough for varmint shooting, and still light enough (around 8 pounds empty) for hefting around, too. With the heavier grns, (I've shot 75gr Hornady TAP, 68gr heavy match and 69gr match king from Black Hills through it) and it will shoot .5 MOA !

    If you were going to buy one pre-assembled, it would be hard to beat this one for the price. The other RRA's and the Stag are a bit hefty weight wise.

    Your choice on the glass. You've picked some great choices there, of which I'm kind of biased towards Nikon glass. It's what used to sit on my bolt gun, until I got the Schmidt glass for it. But the Nikon is still my backup. Throw in some high rings and go poodle popping ;)

    Slo
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Tango, you are my boy, and I would be remiss if I did not tell you that, together, we can build a MUCH better weapon that you can buy.

    $1200 is a lot of money, outside of optics, to build a custom AR.

    We get a basic, good quality upper and lower. We get you a good, 20" barrel from Whiteoak or, if you are super serious, from Krieger.

    We get you a custom cut chamber on that barrel, one that is a hand in glove fit for your handloads.

    We free float that front end tube, with something from Yankee Hill Machine, because they have the best stuff for the dollar.

    We get you a really good two-stage trigger from someone like RRA.

    Then the optics are up to you.

    Do not buy something off the shelf for what you are wanting, because you can get a MUCH better weapon by build that will suit your needs.

    Hit me up with a PM if you want and you have made your decision that you want to build one.

    JD
     
  8. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    OK slo let me ask you why does everyone have such high ass rings on their AR's? Is it to line it up with your eye.

    On the Nikon I am leaning the way of the nikon because I got one for my 700 and I love the crap out of it.

    Can I get a 1 to 2# trigger on these?

    I seen a Timney trigger on Midway USA for an AR.

    I am not in love with the stock on the RRA PPR but hey I can always buy a Magpul for her.

    Yeah I was gonna build one. I still might build one that would be my son birthday present next year maybe.
     
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  9. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Get out of my thread.

    SLO

    Here is another thought.

    Dose the bottom end have much to do with accuracy?

    Because RRA sells a PPR upper for $630 If I use my bottom end I am going to build that brings it in at $1100 just $10 cheaper. Man I am going to make my head explode on this AR business.
     
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  10. user4

    user4 New Member

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    I hear ya. This is why I'd let JD help ya with a build. You'd get better quality for less. He's an effing jedi at that stuff.
     
  11. stalkingbear

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    Why don't you go with a Jard single stage trigger? Why bother with 2 stage when you can have a single stage that breaks like a glass rod? The Jard single stage trigger on my AR is 1.5 pounds. It feels like a fine bolt rifle trigger and only runs 150$. It's completely adjustable for takeup/overtravel/pull weight/sear engagement too.
     
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  12. bkt

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    This Mueller scope is pretty good. 4-16x50, good fov, very bright. Not too expensive.
     
  13. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    4-16 is not enough power for my varmint rifle. Lowest I will go is a 6.5-20x40mm.

    Still might build the first one.
     
  14. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    This sounds like it will be an outstanding rifle. Keep us in the loop on this one Tango.
     
  15. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    I got $1200 for the rifle alone.

    Seen a RRA Varmint today in the Gander Mtn it was all beat up and used they wanted $1399 for it. I believe it had a heavier barrel than the PPR it was heavy and with a 24" barrel wouldn't make it good for what I want to do with it.

    I am done with Gander Mtn too they want $80.00 for 1000 CCI BR4 primers. That is highway robbery.
     
  16. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    $1200 can go a long ways in a build rifle Tango.

    As for the trigger, you can get them down to mere ounces with some tuning.

    On a long range shooter, I like a two stage trigger. I think the two stage gives me an advantage in keeping the target in the crosshairs and watching my breathing.

    Start a build thread if you are going that rate so we can keep track of your progress and see where you come in at with final build price. I am betting will be a MUCH better rifle below the full $1200 if you shop around.

    JD
     
  17. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    AAAAAAAAAAA This is goign to kill me or at least give me a heart attack.

    OK has anyone heard of (Compass Lake Engineering) CLE? they offer Keriger barrels for $418.... I really want a Kreiger barrel. But I will settle for others If I have to. If I add that to my build it brings it in right at $1322 which is doable.

    Oh man all this thinking behind building a rifle and I dunno what mags to get Good lord what else is there. I mean there is only 1.999999999 billion different mags. I know I don't want them crappy old military mags as they are cheaply made and dent bend and get screwed up quick fast and in a hurry.

    OK Do I want an AR-15 upper or an M-4 upper? One has feed lips what is the difference?
     
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  18. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    I put the Bushmaster two stage trigger in the V-Match and it's set so light that it makes me giggle every time I get a double tap. The $120.00 I spent was well worth it IMO.

    Capt. have you checked-out the new Rem. 30 AR yet. I'm starting a build for my 9 year old granddaughter and I'm considering this cartridge for her deer rifle.

    Good Luck, Joe
     
  19. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    With much help from Slo I think I may have this thing figured out.

    I am now looking at ordering a RRA PPR Upper for $620 and a RRA lower unit for $290 then adding a trigger for a grad total of $1065 That gives me money to add to the scope WOOT WOOT.

    I can't wait. I need to get my taxes finished in the next few days.
     
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  20. lonyaeger

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    Just finished mine today. I got my RRA stripped lower for $249. Also went with RRA upper assembly with 16" barrel for $540. Don't know by model which upper/barrel is it you're looking at, but I'm pretty sure you're looking for a longer barrel so you can reach out and touch something from furthe away.

    I'll tell ya, anybody who might be intimidated by putting together an AR starting with a stripped lower doesn't need to worry about it. I did the whole rifle in about two hours. Now that I've done one, I bet I could easily cut that in half.

    Hey, if I can do it anyone can....and I don't mean you, Tango, because you know a lot more about rifles than I do....but I mean anyone reading your post about building one.