Ohio school shooting this morning.

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Tackleberry1, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    Apparently a HS junior who's described as a bit of an outcast brought a revolver into the cafeteria at about 7:30 am and opened fire on a table of former playmates. Sounds like the boys were friends in junior high before drifting apart in HS after the shooter got into the "gothic" scene.

    1 dead and 3 or 4 wounded.

    I'm speculating at this point by I'd bet the revolver belongs to a parent or grandparent who "thought" this boy was well trained and stable.

    I trust my teens with firearms and can not imagine a situation where they would try to harm there classmates. I'm certain this boys parents felt the same way yet they now have the nightmare of knowing that there child just killed someone elses child.

    Positive control people. On your hip or locked up is the only way to be sure.

    At this point, I'd fully support prosecution of the gun owner who allowed a minor access to this gun.

    Tack
     
  2. Ranger-6

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    Bullying should not be tolerated at any level of life. Schools need to teach children the importance of getting along. However, that is an impossible task when societies in its self can not get along. America is a low context society, and has become a society of punishment rather than education.
     

  3. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    I'm sorry Ranger 6 but bullying has existed since cavemen discovered hunger and sex. Human males have always "and will always" bully weaker males.

    The problem is NOT the natural manner in which males establish dominance. The problem IS the zero tolerance policies our idiot educators foster.

    In my day, if a boy had a problem, he beat the **** out of that problem. Problem was sloved.

    In this day and age we have dip **** parents who teach there boys to "use words instead of fists". This is a big mistake. It creates a situation where the kid being verbally bullied CAN'T lash out physically and put and end to it.

    It builds in grammar school
    It builds in middle school
    It explodes in High School, typically with a large body count.

    On this matter:
    Teach your boys that the educators are WRONG
    Teach your boys to FIGHT
    Reasure them that if they need to swing, YOU will be in there corner

    Tack
     
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  4. Durangokid

    Durangokid New Member

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    Bulling is just another tool for lawyers to make money with. They are now saying he was not bullied. There is and always has been evil people in our world. This SOB is just evil.:mad:
     
  5. 01hugo

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    Tackleberry, you hit the nail on the head. I was one of those bullied kids, I got picked on, pushed around, all that. Never once did I think to shoot up the place. Never. Sometimes it came to knuckling up. It was all just kid stuff. Some of those bullies became great friends later down the line.
     
  6. alsaqr

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    So did i. Five years after graduation i found the big sob in a beer joint. Went to the bartender, bought a roll of quarters, stuck them in my fist and sucker punched the sob. i broke his jaw in two places and his upper jaw in one place. That sob remembered me until he died.
     
  7. PrimePorkchop

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    I'm sorry, but America is not a society of punishment, America has become a society of entitlement and reward. Set on your ass, vote for this guy, and do nothing, and everything will be okay. Watch this for a great example:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc[/ame]

    Too many people feel they are entitled to everything they want, so when they get bullied a little bit, they feel justified in taking a gun to school and killing innocent children (the gunman even said his targets were chosen at random)

    Like Tackle said above - this is what happens when kids use their "words" instead of their fists. The words fall on deaf ears, and the resentment grows until the kid takes a gun from daddy's underwear drawer and goes to school to do some talking of his own.


    It's a result of too much liberal ideology and BAD PARENTING.
     
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  8. 01hugo

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    None of that liberal hippy bs in my house. Good video
     
  9. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    I raised mine to stand up for themselves and for anyone else, even it was a friend doing the bullying. Funny story, my "almost 20 YO son", while in 7th grade, had a sharp tounged cass make "verbally" picking on him to the point where he did not want to go to school. It never occured to my son that he could beat this kids ass because the kid was smaller than he was. I explained that verbal insults were NO DIFFERENT that physical attacks and told him to challenge this other boy to an "after school" meeting next time the insults began. The young smart ass was foolish enough to not only show up but to take the first swing! It ended with the insult artist holding his bloody nose, crying, and threatening to tell his dad! HAHhHa
     
  10. purehavoc

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    I wont have to worry about putting gas in my car ??? WTH. I bet she isnt saying that now at $4 + a gal when she was probably paying less than $2 at the time
     
  11. Tackleberry1

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    People like her absolutely amaze me. You would think all americans, especially black Americans would be leery of anyone offering something for nothing?

    Picking cotton for a roof and a meal has been replaced with voting democrat for gubmint housing and food stamps.

    IMHO the democratic party is today's slave holder with millions of dependent supporters and the modern Republicans are not much better.

    She represents the ultimate destination for all would would hand over thier liberty in exchange for the promise of something for nothing.
    Tack
     
  12. Jaybirdzz

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    When it comes down to it though bullying is a real thing. Ive expierenced it first hand my junior year of highschool (now im a senior) everyday I was fighting in school and fighting out of school. But what do you do when your dad never taught you to fight or you never had to before? Or never told you to fight. So im gonna have to agree bad parenting but bullying is a bad situation as well and thats coming from a 18 year old who hasnt lost fight. Thats why if I ever see someone getting picked on thats defenseless and you can see it ill be the first to step up and help because you never know what that kid might want to do
     
  13. PrimePorkchop

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    I won't agree or disagree, i'll just say that this conversation cannot become about whether or not bullying is "bad". We all know it's "bad" but if it becomes about that, then guns lose.

    he was bullied and shot people, bullying is bad, therefore guns are bad. That *IS* how these dumb liberals will start talking. In other words, being bullied was irrelevant. This kid was unstable and off kilter to begin with because of his bad upbringing.


    This is a direct result of bad parenting and liberal ideology. Bullying had very little, if anything, to do with a kid who was conditioned from the very beginning to think that he's entitled to anything, and can take by force whatever he wants.

    In this case, what he took by force was revenge. It's sad and it's wrong and it has to be called what it is.
     
  14. blucoondawg

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    I agree Tack, I've been saying it for awhile now, the school systems are forcing kids to be candyasses cuz they fear getting in "trouble", they won't or don't fight back until it builds to the point that they snap, I too had that problem in school, I wouldn't do anything for awhile until it got me to the boiling point then I exploded, but I didn't shoot anyone, I just kicked their ass. I will teach my future kids, whether boy or girls, to have a zero tolerance for that crap, first time someone deliberately disrespects them, break their nose, they will find the bullies don't say too much after that.
     
  15. Gert999

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    I also agree with tack, I've taught my daughter to give them a warning and a chance to change their ways if not you change em for them. She's 8 now but when she was in 1st grade a kid was bullying her i reminded her what to do. She was nicer then i would be even gave him two chances. on the third when he cut her hair she bashed his head agaisnt his desk. After a long and i do mean loooong convo with the school the other kid was moved to a different class and my daughter didn't get into any trouble, beside the timeout right after the incedent. Kids need to stop being so sensitive what ever happend to stick and stones???
     
  16. Tackleberry1

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    Exactly...and let your kids know that IF they get in trouble at school for defending themselves, YOU will back them up. If that means taking a few days off to deal with a suspension by doing something fun with your kid then so be it.

    IMO the violent explosions come as much from parents supporting zero tolerance policies as from the policies themselves.

    Strong parenting is essential but your kids must know that it comes from love and that at the end of the day you are on there side.

    Tack
     
  17. blucoondawg

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    I never understood the whole 3 day suspension thing as punishment for fighting, to me 3 days off school is a reward not a punishment.
     
  18. Durangokid

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    Children who are not allowed to adopt to their enviroment will become heipless dependent adults. Who said modern education does not work.:eek: