Obsolete calibers

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by MrWray, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. MrWray

    MrWray New Member

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    Does anyone think that any of our favorite calibers will become obsolete due to newly invented calibers or any other future firearms changes?
     
  2. Snowman

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    Mmm... 45 GAP? Not that it's a favorite.
    .357 Sig, it's hanging on, but it has a small nitch.
    Or maybe 9x25 dillion? I like shooting it, but I think it's on it's way out. Like the 40 super. But those never really never made it past the wildcat phase.
     

  3. MrWray

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    The .45gap i could care less about as ive never seen its purpose, but the .357sig is "one" of my favorites.i would hate to see it fade away
     
  4. mcb

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    I don't see the 480 ruger very often.
     
  5. trip286

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    I think the 357 sig is here to stay.

    The big mainstays I believe will stay also. The military calibers of the past 100 years, european and American. Is have to say the .40 probably isn't going anywhere, not are any of the rounds fathered by the .30-06 likely to either.
     
  6. Shoobee

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    Obsolete? Absolutely.

    Just like the single-action Colt .45 of the Old West is now an obsolete gun even for cowboys, these pieces of iron and wood go the way of all the Earth as well.

    For a quick-drawing sheriff, the S&W .357 magnum was once the weapon of choice. Today you might get the first shot off with one of them, but gangs have made that gun essentially obsolete in law enforcement, and now everyone needs and wants a high capacity semi-auto sidearm instead.

    Same with the FBI. They used to swear by the .357 which now however is a relic of past history.

    That's the story on the handgun side, with 2 really good examples. Only a collector would own either one of those two now. And collecting guns is like collecting art -- it might make you some money and it is fun but it is a big waste of time and space too.

    On the rifle side, the two best examples of obsolete guns are the AR-15 and the .30-30.

    The .30-30 was an Indian Wars assault rifle, in its day. Now, romantics use it for deer hunting. They pretend they are cowbows or cavalry soldiers, and the deer are now the Indians. Only difference is deer tastes good.

    The AR-15 was an early abortion to try to give infantry a lighter CQB weapon and enable them to carry more ammo. It was always inferior to the Kalashnikov and always will be. But a lucrative government contract got them installed with the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps, over the objections of soldiers and marines. The modern M-4 is vastly superior to the AR-15, with all its bells and whistles and battle scopes and starlight scopes, now. The M-4 is a formidable CQB weapon. And the AR-15 is still an abortion.

    But boys and young men still buy the AR-15 to this day. The 5.56 mm round is still an idea varminting round, where the varmits are enemy soldiers and terrorist rags. But the AR-15 itself is obsolete.

    There you go, 4 examples of reality, as far as weapons go.

    Bullet calibre is very similar as well. Thus the .45 for the revolver, the .30-30 round, the .357, and a host of others have fallen by the way-side. The .38 special, the .44 special, these loads are all fairly useless and obsolete today, having been superseded by technology and modern times.
     
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  7. Shoobee

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    My 2 favorite calibres in handguns are the .44 mag load and the .45 ACP. These calibre's have been around for over 100 years. But their application has changed. Since the 1950s the .44 mag has been the outdoors gun of choice for all applications. The .454 Casull is trying to overtake it, but not yet.

    The .45 ACP will still knock down anyone man-sized or smaller no matter what they have been smoking or doping. And the Browning double-action for it has yet to be topped by anyone.
     
  8. Cattledog

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    Shoobe. I'll excuse the knocks on the AR-15 cause thats another thread. It is a good point about the .223 and 5.56 being kept alive by government contract though. The .410 was all but doomed until the Taurus judge came along and created a new platform for it. The .357 sig was in the same camp 10 years ago, until the manufactures gave us more to shoot it out of. Right now I see the .38 super headed down hill just because of the limited number of platforms t support it.
     
  9. texaswoodworker

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    I have to disagree on much of this. The .45 LC is still a decent round that many swear by, and is still mass produced.
    Same goes for the .38 special and the .357 magnum. Many people (including myself when I turn 21) still use these calibers for self defense.
    The 30-30 is a classic round like the 30-06, and people will still keep using it for many decades. It's a great deer round, and one of the best rounds for a lever action rifle.
    I can see these rounds still being used many decades from now, and guns still being chambered for them for decades too. They may not be the latest thing, but they are all still great, proven rounds.
    .44 special on the other hand probably will become obsolete to everyone but reloaders. It was never that popular of a round anyways.
    I don't get where you are coming from on the AR-15. It is a great rifle that is more accurate then an AK, but the AK does have it beat in a few other things.
    Some rounds that I think could become would be lesser used rounds for the shotgun like 14ga, 24 ga, and 28ga.
     
  10. mcb

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    Just because a caliber is not used by law enforcement anymore it is not obsolete. The 357 mag and 38 spcl are still pretty common.

    The 30/30 is still a popular hunting round nice starter caliber.

    45 lc is experiencing a rebirth due to weapons like the Taurus Judge. Cowboy action shooting is pretty popular as well.

    The Colt SAA is one of the finest weapons ever made.
     
  11. trip286

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    I think everything you mentioned here (except for those shotgun rounds you mentioned) well be in use until we develop phasers and ray guns.

    You forgot to mention the .45 ACP though. Throw that into the group that stays.
     
  12. MrWray

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    I agree the Colt SAA is one of the finest handguns ever made, the other is JMB's 1911
     
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  13. bkt

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    I should have stopped reading your post long before this point, but this is what convinced me you don't really have a clue and you're pushing personal opinion as fact.
     
  14. Shoobee

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    So if I give you a documented quote out of an authoritative book (Rolling Thunder In A Peaceful Land) would that change your mind at all?
     
  15. spack762

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    Yeah he does that.
     
  16. AIKIJUTSU

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    The .41 Magnum has pretty much come and gone. It will always be my favorite revolver cartridge. It is close in power to the .44 Magnum, but has a flatter trajectory, so is a little easier to deal with at 100 yds or so. I have had several .41 Magnum revolvers, including Ruger Blackhawks, S&W Model 57s, Model 58s, a Model 657, and Dan Wesson 41VH and 741 VH. I still have some of them, but a box of 20 cartridges of .41 Magnum ammo now costs $68.00 and has to be special-ordered. I used to handload for them, but now it's difficult to get brass and slugs. I really am sorry to see it go. It was originally invented in 1964 for use by police, in the form of S&W Model 58, a double action revolver with 4" barrel. But the recoil proved to be more than what the police wanted, so it then was relegated to hunting applications. It was (is) great for hawg and deer, but then so is .44 Magnum. I will miss it.
     
  17. mcb

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    One nice thing for the 357 Sig is that it can be shot from a 40 cal Glock simply by switching barrels. For about $100 extra you have two guns in one.
     
  18. texaswoodworker

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    Yep, there are a quite a few rounds that will be around long after our great grand children are gone.

    .38 special/.357 mag
    .45 LC
    .45 ACP
    .44 mag
    9mm luger
    30-30
    30-06
    .270
    .223
    .243
    .308
    7.62x39mm
    .22 lr
    12 ga
    20 ga
    16 ga
    25-06
    .50 BMG
    .300 mag
    .40

    Just to name a few.

    Some that may be gone before we are.

    .22 hornet (which is a shame, because I love this round)
    .41 mag
    .22 spitfire
    .223 WSSM
    .243 WSSM
    7.62 Nagant

    Just to name a few. There are several other rounds that are being made/sold now that I have never heard of, and will probably never see first hand. Many of them will probably not last for too much longer.

    Here are a few lists of calibers. You all will probably be able to pick out a few rounds that are probably going to become obsolete.

    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/pistol-ammo
    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/rifle-ammo?osCsid=3ti1ijgl402ooieickflb440j3
    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/shotgun-ammo
     
  19. MrWray

    MrWray New Member

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    I really love my 7mmwsm, but i cant even find them like i used to. Whenever i bought it,i thought that they would more popular than what they are
     
  20. Chainfire

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    How about a couple that SHOULD be obsolete? .32 ACP and .25 ACP.

    These calibers were effective as a deterrent, a hundred years ago, when a belly wound, because of the lack of antibiotics, with either round, would cause an eventual and horribly painful death.

    Now you are just liable to really piss someone off using this as a defensive round.