Obama Care Ruled Unconstitutional

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by dunerunner, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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  2. Dillinger

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    Sah-WEEEEEEET!

    Been hoping to hear this all day. Suddenly the bright in my cubicle is a little brighter and less offensive. :p

    Suck It Big O!

    JD
     

  3. JonM

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    its not over yet. its still got to go before the supreme court of the united states and some no-brainer rulings they have punted on...

    we arent out of the woods yet. but we can see daylight. the scotus is liekly to leave that pig in place and just strike down one portion which really wont solve the problem.
     
  4. spittinfire

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    This is just what they want. I agree with it but in the end the libs will put private insurance out of business or out of reach and force people into their plan.
     
  5. Dillinger

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    My main point was that in it's current form, not legal. We are not stuck with it, so there is hope.

    But I agree, the future is only a wee bit brighter. However to have his prize possession shot down in flames has to get under his skin just a tad and that makes me happy.

    As a matter of fact, anything that causes him or Biden to have an unneccessary rise in blood pressure is cause for me to grin like a 5 year old with a new toy. :D

    JD
     
  6. Yunus

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    What happens if SCOTUS agrees and says it's unconstitutional? Will the insurance companies sue the government for violating the constitution and causing rates to rise? I assume they will and then they and their lawyers will keep 99% of the judgement for themselves while offering a buy one rectal exam get one free coupon to their customers. That always seems to be the way of class action lawsuits. Either way in the end, somehow this will end up costing the taxpayer.

    Would this also mean that insurance companies who wanted to drop someone for a pre-existing condition will now be able to do so retroactively?

    I was confused about insurance before the government started messing with it and now I'm even more confused as to what might happen. I'm a smart person but nothing related to healthcare laws or insurance companies makes any sense to me.
     
  7. Dillinger

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    Quoting for the Effing Truth. Heads of those companies are definitely on the grand "check it twice" list, that is for sure. :mad:
     
  8. JonM

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    the popular myth is insurance companies deny pre-existing. they dont, they just charge a higher rate because they KNOW your going to use it rather than know you MIGHT use it. the whole pre-existing condition thing is an attempt to end access to health coverage for anyone outside the government.

    it a political fallacy.

    insurance companies have never ever never paid a single claim. other policy holders pay all the claims you make and you pay all the claims that other policy holders make. all insurance companies do is broker the exchange of monies they take a percentage usually between 1-5% of all dues paid. the rest is paid out as claims.

    want to fix insurance costs?? fix frivoulous lawsuits and medical fraud by doctors and hospitals.

    if the so called pre-existing provision is up-held or passes insurance companies will close up and all your left with is 100% out of pocket or obamacare.

    you would have to be rock stupid to buy insurance of any sort until you need if there wasnt a hefty charge for pre-existing. if you switch companies and have a condition, such as workplace changing insurance they cant deny you the going rate. if you get hired by a company that provides insurance same deal.

    most of what you hear libs cranking off about is pure lies or half truths to scare people into supporting something that will let them socialize the country.
     
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  9. RJMercer

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    If SCOTUS strikes down any part of obummercare it will pull the whole bill down because it doesnt have a severability clause. If one part of the bill is repealed through legislation it basically does the same thing. They were too busy building a framework for civilian enslavement that they forgot one little paragraph to ensure continuity of legislation should one part be struck down. Good luck for us this time but don't expect our malevolent dictator to make the same mistake again........
     
  10. CA357

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    Our Blue Shield monthly premiums just went up $105. a month this month. Our co-pay for some procedures went from $10. to $250. last month. I dare not write how I really feel about Obamacare.
     
  11. dog2000tj

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    CA, get the fark out of Kali! Although I'm not sure if there is anyplace reasonable for healthcare anymore.

    Sorry to hear that :(
     
  12. dunerunner

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    That is insane!! Time for pitchforks and torches!!
     
  13. bkt

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    This is a welcome step in the right direction. If the SCOTUS says this is constitutional, all bets are off. Hopefully, it won't.

    Nothing will improve in the health care sector until the government is booted out of it and the taxpayer money trough with it.
     
  14. dunerunner

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    I agree with that 100%. Get the Government, get the insurance companies out and let the market return to a baseline.
     
  15. masterPsmith

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    During open enrollment season we noticed that our Blue Shield premiums were going to go up for 2011 also. We switched to Pacific Care instead. Now out premiums are about the same as they were. I hated changing because I have almost always been with Blue Shield, but I can't afford higher premiums on my medical retirement annuity. Also, I get "NO" cost of living increase this year. The guberment is royally sticking it to us this year.........................

    Jim..............
     
  16. JTJ

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    I sent AARP a nasty letter and dropped my membership over them backing the Obamacare bill and their anti gun stand. AARP no longer represents seniors and if you are a member, reconsider. I dont mean to hijack but they convinced a lot of seniors to vote for Obamacare.
     
  17. dunerunner

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    AARP is a sham, always has been, always will be. They make money off of the number of senoirs who think being an AARP member gets them a discount on life insurance, car insurance and other benefits.

    They exist to make money of of the seniors and baby boomer generation, and that is all.

    Now, back to your regularly scheduled ObamaCare thread.
     
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    The dems seem open to big time changes in the bill. It may never get repealed, but the end law will probably look nothing like the current law. The government needs to get out of the business of business. Build some roads, protect our nation, but stay the hell out of people's daily lives.
     
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