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Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by silverado113, Nov 4, 2011.
Meet the Oakland Developer Who Used a Shotgun to ‘Discourage’ Occupy Rioters | TheBlaze.com
It's gone too far. Makes me wanna go to Oakland and give the man some back up. Shift sleep.
Good for him. Of course, his building has a 'bulls eye' on it now.
Working in Fresno just around the corner from where these Cretins are camped out in the local Courthouse Park, I can say with 100% conviction that these people are the same anarchists that cause havoc and destroy property at other venues such as the G8 and G20 summits.
Fresno has, as of yesterday, cut the power to the park denying these people free electricity. With temps now dipping into the 30's and low 40's at night, it should start to discourage them shortly, I hope.
Yeah, some of the 'effers are still here camping in the parks of downtown Sacramento. Why don't they go to the river bike trails or under the bridges with the rest of the bums?
The bums would kick their asses!
LMAO... The bums here probable wouldn't share their crack either.
The hypocrisy is so blatant! These are the very people that put this president in office then turn around and protest the very entities that he bailed out.
The sad part is they will more than likely vote for him again. I live in a small enough city where we don't have to deal with these people. Today is their second assembly cause they are off on the weekends from their capitalistic and some government jobs. Kinda ironic that you are protesting the people who pay you. At least here that's how it is.
I love it. I love the people demonstrating, I love the man defending his business.
It reminds me there are people out there who still believe there something worth fighting for. I think both parties acted accordingly. There needs to be more people like this protecting there property, and demonstrating for there rights as citizens.
Maybe im the ultimate devils advocate, but I support both parties in this case. I almost always do.
So do the rioters.
Ron paul 2012
i think the bullseye was already there. he had something he spent his life working for and the grasshoppers decided they wanted to take it all. he said no.
I find it interesting that with so many people here defending and celebrating what it means to be American (i.e., gun rights), that there would be this much animosity towards these people involved in democracy at its best. There will always be trouble makers. Unfortunately there is an anarchist element, especially on the West Coast that jumps on these oppurtunities to vandalize and incite police and crowds into riots. A Veteran that served 2 tours of duty in Iraq "defending our freedom" was nearly killed by Oakland police. He will undergo months if not years of rehab due to his injury. Lucky to be alive, really. And he was here, in our country doing something that he fought for you and I and who ever the hell else wants to be able to do. How freaking ironic. Now I will get off my soap box and pose a question specifically to this article. Isn't having a loaded firearm in a public place illegal unless one posesses a concealed permit? I mean, we're talking Oakland, CA here. Did this individual perceive some imminent threat to life? People were simply eyeing his building. Wouldn't what he did be considered brandishing? And would he have seriously shot how many people and how many times because they could have possibly been smashing windows and looting? I don't know the answers to all of these questions so maybe you can enlighten me. I think what this guy did was hot headed and foolish. Here on the forum there is a tremendous amount of discussion regarding when you should draw your weapon and when you should use it, etc. No one wants to go to prison and/or lose their concealed permit for breaking the law and unjustly shooting anyone. What makes this situation different? Is it just because he was defending his livelihood from hippie liberal drug using dirtbags? I mean put yourself in that guy's shoes. Are you going to start busting caps in arses because someone breaks your window? Or because they are stealing your car stereo out of your driveway? Go ahead and see how fast you get cuffed and stuffed.
I think you're wrong....
here in Texas we can protect our property with deadly force. If a mob is coming down the street, burning and looting as they come, we're permitted to protect ourselves and our property. We're even allowed to protect our neighbor's property.
I for one,have enough ammunition to protect myself, my wife, and my house, and will defend all of us to the best of my ability.
The short answer to your questions is, YES. I would shoot someone to protect my property simply because in Iowa we can do that, I would also help my neighbor out too since I’m also by law allowed to do that. On the Scott Olsen issue yes he was a veteran that dishonored himself, his service, his country, and his fellow Marines. Not to mention that he was a Communications guy with a Comm unit and I’m willing to say he never left the wire. I’m pretty sure the 1st Amendment also has that “peacefully assemble” clause in it, well at least the one I read did. I don’t think any of us can say what actually happened in his case. Some reports of bottles and rocks being thrown at the police, the video well we all know can be edited. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that the cops were totally in the right because they weren’t, especially when they threw the CS canister into the crowd that was trying to help him. As far as the legality of this owner brandishing a weapon while he was in his property, I’m pretty sure that’s legal, even in California. Most states have laws that extend to a person’s place of business if they are the owner of that business or property. I’m not familiar with California laws, but just giving my opinion. The difference in this situation is that an owner of a property, perceived a threat, whether it was perceived towards his life that’s hard to say since none of us were actually in that situation. As for me, I’m going to back the owner on this and now I’m off my soap box.
Ok... Protecting your property could mean lots of things. It could mean a mob is setting fire to the family farm that's been around for 159 years. That's one thing. But your property also means your things. Would you shoot someone for breaking into your car? Would you shoot them as they were carrying your giant flatscreen out your front door?
Breaking into the car, yes. Walking out the front door with the big screen, no, they are "in retreat" and are no longer a threat to home and property.
What are you going to do? Stand by and yell? I had a guy try to steal my truck quite a while back. I caught him at it (dumb bass couldn't drive a stick shift). When I dragged him out of the truck, I was just going to let him go. That is, until he kicked me in the kneecap on my bad knee and started screaming at me calling me a "cracker". That earned the oak stick that I had laying in the back (cabinet making material).
You like what I have, your best bet is to get a job and buy it yourself. Because if someone is stealing my stuff? They won't like the end result. And no, if they are in 'retreat', I put the gun in the holster and they get to tote home a major beating, after they get out of jail.
I have no tolerance for thieves in the least. And any time a thief gets stomped to the ground or sentenced to prison I smile.