[fmj]

Finally found and watched the press conference in its entirety.

DAMNIT MAN!! I almost wrote the check and re-instated my lifetime membership after listening to Wayne speak the common sense we all know to be true. But i am not a knee jerk kinda a person. I will wait and watch what their ACTIONS are in the coming months....but they may just win me back.

Although i didnt agree with all of his ideas ( i rarely do agree with anybody on everything) i DO agree we need to do something NOW. But i dont think a security person at each school goes far enough...Columbine had two armed security professionals on duty...they were the first killed. But its a great first step to get us moving in the correct direction.

I like my plan to arm EVERY school staffer that so chooses to be armed. CONCEALED CARRY at all time while at school, Intensive defensive shooting courses, crisis remediation training, frangible bullets. Co-ordinated by the "trained professional" on duty.

My plan ASSURES nearly instant response by trained individuals and the scumbags cannot case the joint and know where and when the one or two armed security will be...they just will not be able to know where the resistance will be.

[ame]http://youtu.be/AmFYFrbH6S8[/ame]

 

[Mosin]

I don't know where you got your info, but the security officer on duty wasn't killed. He was in the parking lot and stayed outside like the police did. At that time their training wasn't to go in after a shooter, that's changed.

 

[fmj]

I don't know where you got your info, but the security officer on duty wasn't killed. He was in the parking lot and stayed outside like the police did. At that time their training wasn't to go in after a shooter, that's changed.

Dude, its been a long time and i havent brushed up on the details in a long time.

Mayhaps it was the first responding cops on scene were the first taken out...anywho, IMHO, in a columbine type situation (where the psychos planned out the attack well in advance) armed security officers would be first to go, would be the primary/prime targets.

My point(s) being the idea/common knowledge that ANY person in the building could possibly offer immediate resistance is a greater deterent then just one or two "dedicated" security officers.

 

[Mosin]

I agree fully with your ideas. I'm just saying (and im guilty of this too), do a quick search before you say anything. Like I responded, I agree with you, but when debating an anti, they just take any wrong statement, discredit you, and throw everything you say away.

You can make the most salient points on Earth, but for nothing by making wrong statements.

 

[Mosin]

12 dead students, 1 dead coach, and 2 shooters by self inflicted gun shot wounds.

 

[AIKIJUTSU]

Something that complicates the worthy solution (arming the staff) is the "no guns within 1000 feet of a school" Federal law. I think that if a school armed the civilian teachers, the next thing that would happen is that the playboys of the "Secret" Service or FIB - er - I mean FBI would arrest them on that grounds. That dumbass law has got to be repealed.

 

[fmj]

I agree fully with your ideas. I'm just saying (and im guilty of this too), do a quick search before you say anything. Like I responded, I agree with you, but when debating an anti, they just take any wrong statement, discredit you, and throw everything you say away.

You can make the most salient points on Earth, but for nothing by making wrong statements.

agreed! I know this. I have actually given that advice to others here of late. but not debating an anti here...i just tossed up the NRA press conference and pointed to what i see as some flaws in the plan outlined.

Good Krist, i just heard Fineswine spouting off about how the "armed security" was the first killed at columbine. It struck a chord and seemed to remember there being dead cops or security at the scene. Like a say, been a long time ago. Guess i better do some giggle searching and brush up on the mass shooting facts again.

The antis couldnt/wouldnt POSSIBLY spew mis information, would they??

One must "go to battle girded with knowledge" to be effective.

Thanks for the "chiding"

 

[fmj]

Something that complicates the worthy solution (arming the staff) is the "no guns within 1000 feet of a school" Federal law. I think that if a school armed the civilian teachers, the next thing that would happen is that the playboys of the "Secret" Service or FIB - er - I mean FBI would arrest them on that grounds. That dumbass law has got to be repealed.

Yep, yep...gotta happen!

 

[dragunovsks]

Something that complicates the worthy solution (arming the staff) is the "no guns within 1000 feet of a school" Federal law. I think that if a school armed the civilian teachers, the next thing that would happen is that the playboys of the "Secret" Service or FIB - er - I mean FBI would arrest them on that grounds. That dumbass law has got to be repealed.

Not true, don't forget there is a Texas school that has allowed properly trained staffers to carry since '08.

Not to mention here in Indiana we can carry onto school property if we are dropping off or picking up our kids. We just aren't allowed to take the weapon out of the vehicle.

 

[fmj]

Not true, don't forget there is a Texas school that has allowed properly trained staffers to carry since '08.

Not to mention here in Indiana we can carry onto school property if we are dropping off or picking up our kids. We just aren't allowed to take the weapon out of the vehicle.

True enough, thanks that raft of new gun legislation My Man Mitch signed into law July of 11.

(a dirty little secret about entering schools here...concealed means concealed shhhhhhh!)

 

[aandabooks]

To your original point, I am a teacher and my wife is a guidance counselor at two different schools. We were just discussing this evening about allowing teachers to carry in schools. I stated that I would be in favor of it but much with some of the standards that you listed. I would want to see it as voluntary with district provided training in practical shooting applications. The other thing that would be needed is some sort of annual stipend and an equipment allowance. Complete confidentiality would be required so that only select administration members be the only people to know who is carrying in the school.

My wife is in favor of this idea as well. She would not want to carry a gun as she i not interested in firearms and is not real comfortable handling them. She goes shooting occasionally but is not avid about it.

My school has an armed police officer on the grounds but her school is a rural school and I would imagine that the response time would be in the 10+ minute range. It was before my time but the way I've been told is that for several years the local police force offered to station an officer at the school but the school board didn't want to allow the officer to carry a gun. The police force flatly denied disarming one of its officers. The school board finally relented and there has been an armed officer ever since.

 

[knfxda]

Larry Pratt from the GOA is a much better representative for the cause than LaPierre has ever been.

The GOA gets my $, the NRA does not (I know this isn't a popular position).

 

[ScottA]

My business partner is as much a lib as I'm a conservative. He was going off on LaPierre's idiotic remarks, yadda... yadda... yadda. Posted the transcript amongst he and his friends to and asked them to point out the idiotic comments. Funny, no one came up with any. Typically, the guy will jump at the chance to tear up an argument. I find it quite interesting that he just can't find anything to jump on.

 

[fmj]

My business partner is as much a lib as I'm a conservative. He was going off on LaPierre's idiotic remarks, yadda... yadda... yadda. Posted the transcript amongst he and his friends to and asked them to point out the idiotic comments. Funny, no one came up with any. Typically, the guy will jump at the chance to tear up an argument. I find it quite interesting that he just can't find anything to jump on.

Amazing!

 

[nitestalker]

Dianna the Phlisteen has put out the white lies. She is saying that there were two armed guards at Columbine. The rest of the story was they hid in a Bus Barn and never entered the school. The armed officers remained out side until the killing was over. You have to wonder what all the SWAT gear and Special Weapons are for? Maybe photo Ops for the Mayor and Chief of police. The only person to go to prison was a gun dealer.

 

[Axxe55]

Dianna the Phlisteen has put out the white lies. She is saying that there were two armed guards at Columbine. The rest of the story was they hid in a Bus Barn and never entered the school. The armed officers remained out side until the killing was over. You have to wonder what all the SWAT gear and Special Weapons are for? Maybe photo Ops for the Mayor and Chief of police. The only person to go to prison was a gun dealer.

but of course she only tells the parts that makes her point for her. not the whole truth. since when have many politicians ever told the whole story with just the facts?

 

[Mosin]

Before and up until columbine, police were trained to contain a threat. Surround the school, wait for swat and or hostage rescue.
That's why those kids had over an hour to kill with weapons under an assault weapons ban.

They don't WANT guards folks. Their kids, however, go to private schools with.., armed security.

I'm telling you. They WANT more shootings. They're more concerned with disarming Americans.

 

[AIKIJUTSU]

Before and up until columbine, police were trained to contain a threat. Surround the school, wait for swat and or hostage rescue.
That's why those kids had over an hour to kill with weapons under an assault weapons ban.

They don't WANT guards folks. Their kids, however, go to private schools with.., armed security.

I'm telling you. They WANT more shootings. They're more concerned with disarming Americans.

The same goes for those "royalty-wannabee" crooks in DC. They have armed guards everywhere they go, but don't believe the rest of us are worthy of any protection, not even a gun to use to protect ourselves and our kids.

 

[fmj]

Before and up until columbine, police were trained to contain a threat. Surround the school, wait for swat and or hostage rescue.
That's why those kids had over an hour to kill with weapons under an assault weapons ban.

They don't WANT guards folks. Their kids, however, go to private schools with.., armed security.

I'm telling you. They WANT more shootings. They're more concerned with disarming Americans.

Truth!!!!!

 

[Daoust_Nat]

Interesting that Obummer and a lot of the talking heads that are decrying the notion of armed guards in school send their children to the Sidwell School, which has no less then 11 armed guards at all time. Ibummer stated on Letterman in Sept. I believe that he was not worried about his daughters because they were protected by men with guns.

One of the thoughts I had was how do we compensate the armed volunteers? I think an equipment allowance would bring up a huge liberal hue and cry. Perhaps a tax writeoff on a handgun, and allow your practice ammo and range time as a tax exemption. It would not make it free, but it would reduce the cost by whatever your tax rate comes out.