NRA or the GOA

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by k2000k, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. k2000k

    k2000k New Member

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    I am sure this question has been asked a million times but after an admittedly brief search without finding anything recent, I thought I would ask the question again. I just recently signed up for a year long membership to the 2nd amendment foundation and I am trying to decide between the GOA or the NRA.

    I was a former member of the NRA that was turned off by their incessant solicitations, however, some of the moves they have made recently with the commentators and such, have warmed me up towards them. I have also heard good/bad things about the GOA, the bad being that all they do is ask for money and bash the NRA.

    So, picking only one of the two for now, which one should it be?
     
  2. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    BOTH!!!:( We need to join ALL the pro 2nd A organizations we can even if we do not completely agree with everything they do.:confused:
     

  3. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    I am looking for an alternative to the NRA myself. I like the GOA's no compromises attitude but when it comes to actually getting something done the GOA fails miserably. I cannot find a single piece of legislation that pressure or connections from the GOA had any effect on it's passing or defeat. I cannot find a single court battle that was won by attorney's paid for by the GOA.

    All I see GOA doing is funneling money to ineffective Tea party candidates. The Tea party has a lot of growing up to do before I am going to trust them with my second amendment rights. The Tea party has to start writing legislation that actually becomes law and stop fighting battles with no end game strategy before I can trust them to defend my rights.
     
  4. mseric

    mseric New Member

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    This is the correct answer. I will add, that your State most likely has Local organizations that work with State legislators, sign up for them as well.
     
  5. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    2nd Amendment Foundation has been doing all of the big legal work for the last few years.

    I would love nothing more than to drop my NRA membership, but literally forced into with their club coordination.
     
  6. artbrownsr

    artbrownsr Forum Chaplain Lifetime Supporter

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    I am also looking at NAGR ( National Association of Gun Rights). I also am feeling the dilema of weaker defense of my rights(NRA), and ineffective defense of them ( the others). However when the media allows another 2A voice to be heard I find GOA right there I think I've heard Gottlieb(sp) as long as I've heard Pelletier.
     
  7. k2000k

    k2000k New Member

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    I understand that, but my counter is that there are plenty of organizations out that aren't going to do a whole lot with my donation. I just joined that SAF because I took a look at their track record and I liked it. I am not inclined to give money to an organization that doesn't use the funds very well. For example I have read that NRA memberships do not pay for lobbying for more gun rights...a big minus in my book if that is true. I have also haven't found any piece of legislation, or cases, won by the GOA.

    So perhaps I should rephrase the question, should I join either the NRA, GOA or donate more money to the SAF in lieu of doing either?
     
  8. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    NRA has a legislative impact that GOA doesn't have.
     
  9. rn-cindy

    rn-cindy Active Member

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    The Buckeye Firearms Assoc. Does alot of good here in ohio. I,m a member. The junk mail from the NRA gets old fast, especially when you have more than one member at your house...:eek:. But it's all about the $$$...and what organization has the most influence in DC, and with legislators (again-$$$$) The NRA has the muscle....without them..Bloomberg's billions would just steamroll right over us...
     
  10. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Ask any politician who they are afraid of and they will tell you NRA!

    GOA, GOAL, CCKBA, SAF etc all have their heart in the right place, no doubt. But most of the politicians in Washington have never heard of them.

    But IMHO, they hurt our cause more than help by siphoning off resources from the only truly effective voice we have, the NRA.
     
  11. artbrownsr

    artbrownsr Forum Chaplain Lifetime Supporter

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    Locuts this statement from you: "But IMHO, they hurt our cause more than help by siphoning off resources from the only truly effective voice we have, the NRA." is why I debate with my self on THE organization(s) to join/support because I feel I'm choosing between compromise or dilution of stand(NRA) or ineffective soapbox with a paper cone as a mega phone( All the others listed)
     
  12. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I understand that feeling well. But while the NRA may appear to us to be compromising from time to time, they are our only real voice, so they have to be realists. They are right there in Washington, with several members of Congress on their board, and dozens of other members that staff have lunch with every week.

    They usually have a pretty good feel for what is possible, and what isn't. Most gun folks. like you and me, would dearly love to see the National Firearms Act of 1934 completely repealed. So would most NRA directors.

    But they realize that's a pipe dream in today's political environment, so they concentrate their resources on things that are possible and can get done right now. If the political climate shifts over to our side a bit more, I can guarantee you they have a dozen pro-gun bills already written and just waiting to be filed when the time is right.:)
     
  13. k2000k

    k2000k New Member

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    Fair point, I've seen how an unwillingness to compromise and amend ones language has defeated what something that is possible and how excessive wishy washyness has done the same; I think the 2012 republican primary and then general election is an example of both.

    I have decided to contribute to the NRA. Though I still have some major reservations, and qualms, with some of the organizations practices. There have been some real solid PR moves that I really think are great and need to continue.
     
  14. rn-cindy

    rn-cindy Active Member

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    Sounds like your all set....And i have a new NRA Brother... :) Now you just need to get a bigger Mailbox........:D:D:D. I send in $30 a month because between the Magazine, which is very good by the way, i look forward to getting it every month...and the constant ber-age of junkmail...I dont see how my annual $25 membership would really do any good by itself.....?
     
  15. rn-cindy

    rn-cindy Active Member

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    And i would never do a Lifetime, or multi-year membership.....Make them earn your support every year..
     
  16. k2000k

    k2000k New Member

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    I will through a few dollars towards the NRA-ILA. One of my beefs is that I heard that none of your membership funds go towards the ILA, which is strange considering that when you sign up that is not how the NRA markets itself. I remember the junk mail, going straight into the recycling bin next to my mailbox. Really, outside of possibly taking advantage of the firearm insurance, I'm not joining the NRA for any more reasons than to boost their membership roles and express my support for the direction they have been going in recently.

    You betcha, I will not hesitate to pull my membership if I don't like the direction they go in.
     
  17. artbrownsr

    artbrownsr Forum Chaplain Lifetime Supporter

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    EXCELLENT!! thought Cindy:D:D
     
  18. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    In 1957 I was 13 years old. The "Dodd Bill" which later became GCA1968, was being pushed by the anti-gunners. NRA life membership was $100 (A fortune at that time) But they allowed you to pay $12.50 down and $12,50 per quarter until it was paid for.

    My dad had just passed away, and I had an early morning paper route that paid the princely sum of $4 per week. I got an afternoon paper route that paid $3.50 per week.

    Most of the money went to my mom, but $1 per week got saved, giving me $13 per quarter to spend on my beloved life membership. Took almost 2 years to pay it, but I did.

    In 1976, I became an endowment member. Every year just before the new session of congress starts, I send them $100.
     
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  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    if i had to make a choice, it would be the NRA. if possible, yes join both. also join any state affiliated gun rights associations as well if possible.

    but no other gun rights organization has the political clout and number of members as the NRA. those numbers of members are what the anti-gun grabbers fear more than anything. it's what influences politicians decisions when they vote.

    if a politician is in a district made up predominately of those who are pro-gun, that are part of his voting base, then passing restrictive gun control laws is not a good way of staying in office for long.