Now expecting a home invasion anytime

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by Shoobee, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    After my recent burglary 2 weeks ago (6/27/2014 in the early p.m.), I am now expecting a home invasion follow up anytime.

    The burglar only got away with my compound archery bow -- nothing else.

    Everything else was locked up in the gun safe. He still ransacked the apartment however.

    I made the police report and the LEO's have stepped up their neighborhood patrols here, but that won't change anything. We are not a police state and they cannot be everywhere all the time.

    So I now CCW at home all the time, my CCW weapon being a 45ACP pistol 10 + 1.

    And my battle carbine is loaded, as is my bandoleer of magazines too.

    I keep the pistol at my side in a holster, and the carbine in the gun safe ready at a moment's grab.

    I keep the doors and windows locked at all times in order to slow them down.

    At the first sign of trouble I will get the carbine -- with the bandoleer and mags I can shoot more ammo that way. The pistol is simply my backup and for when I cannot take the carbine with me outside.

    This is a lot like Fort Apache waiting for the Indians to attack anytime day or night. I sleep with the carbine at my side and the pistol under my pillow and the bedroom barricaded as a safe room.

    Now that someone knows a very expensive gun safe is in a given residence, and likely to contain all sorts of valuables since none was found anywhere else in the residence, I strongly suspect they will be back -- reinforced.

    They will probably attack in the early morning hours of the night.

    I will probably awaken to the noise of someone breaking in the doors.

    But it could happen anytime.

    The doors are all dead bolt locked with double key locks -- they will need to be broken down for someone to get in or out without the key.

    The windows are all bolted shut -- they will need to be broken apart for anyone to get through them.

    Noise and time -- that's what the doors and windows will give me.

    Noise and time are what I need -- everything else is ready to go in 5.56x45mm and 45ACP.
     
  2. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I understand your preparedness, Shoobee, but be very, VERY careful. Know the laws in your state. Think about shooting to defend yourself or are you going to shoot to defend property? Use your head before you use your firearms. :cool:
     

  3. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Probably good to be a bit proactive and prepared for the possibility of a home invasion. My bet would be more on them checking patterns and trying to come in when you aren't home. Easier to bring in the moving crew when they are less likely to meat resistance or question from neighbors. Lower risk to them, and nobody can be home all the time.
     
  4. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    If they do that, there is no further risk to me. They cannot unbolt the gun safe from the cement ground. Nothing else is worth taking. All my electronics are old. The only thing not locked up was my compound hunting bow and they already took that.

    The only reason they would come back to my place would be to get into the safe.

    And they only way they are getting into it is to break into the house through the doors or windows by destroying them and making a loud mess, then getting me to open the safe for them.

    Since I have hardened my door locks and windows to burglary, only my neighbors are vulnerable to burglary now -- I am not. And having now bolted the gun safe to the ground, it is not going anywhere.
     
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  5. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    I will be shooting them after they breach the doors or the windows, when they are inside the home. There will be several of them and only one of me. They will meet all the criteria of a death warrant by 5.56x45 and 45ACP during a home invasion.

    I would not shoot anybody in the process of stealing my car -- I would rather beat the crap out of them until they have a few broken ribs. But there is no reason to worry about anyone breaking into the garage and taking an old SUV.

    The most likely follow up will be a home invasion to get into the safe.
     
  6. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    And I think the precautions you have taken in reinforcing the locks on the doors will be deterrent enough. I don't think they want a challenge, they want an easy target.
     
  7. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened.


    No offense and none taken
     
  8. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    This was my original thinking as well.

    However lately I have felt as vulnerable as a pioneer wagon on the Great Plains in Indian country.

    The best thing would be to get dogs. But this place is not big enough for dogs.

    It is barely big enough for the cat.
     
  9. CardiacColt68

    CardiacColt68 New Member

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    Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. If it were me, I'd be spending every available hour working on a plan to move. A house is just a building with some sheet rock and wood. You'll sleep better at night somewhere else too. Whatever you do, a d whatever happens, good luck, and be safe. And if necessary, be the last man standing.


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  10. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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    Get ready for an inbound PM soon. Your Prep Is Good. at least you have not Buried your head in the sand. some help for your "case" would be some type of Security camera Trained on your doorway just inside your house so you have "video" of them trying to Break Into your house. He/They will try and wait you out,..several weeks or months so your "guard" is Down Some....
    make sure when you "engage" that they are well Inside your Home before you take the 1st shot....


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  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i think if i felt the need to fortify my home like Fort Knox, that i would probably have to give some thought to moving to safer neighborhood or area.

    in some of your posts, a person could almost get the impression that you live in constant fear of your neighborhood and surroundings. maybe moving to an area that was less crime ridden would do wonders for your mental health.

    maybe even seeking some professional help with these irrational fears that these burglars are targeting you exclusively might be in order as well. the break-in of your place in the past was most likely just a target of opportunity. not that home invasions are not real, but most people don't fixate on such things to the point you do. it's just rather unhealthy to live in such fear

    people's houses are broken in all the time. that's why people have insurance. most rational people deal with problems as they happen by being as best prepared for those things that can happen, then dealing with it when it does. but rational people don't let it consume their whole lives
     
  12. Sniper03

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    Shoobee,

    After almost 30 years of law enforcement in a large Metro Area I will tell you this, but only you know your neighborhood environment. But I will advise that 95% of all burglars I have ever encountered or arrested are opportunists and will only seek out easy targets. Kind of like a gun free zone being a good target for a Whack! I worked Burglary and Robbery for many years. And home invasions is not their choice of targets due to the fact simply put most are cowards and fear confrontation from an armed gun owner. If they know the people are home they will pass or scope it out for an opportunity to hit the target later.
    However, that does leave the other 5% who are calculating and can be ruthless by nature. Your preparation is far better than not being prepared and I fully understand it. I live in the mountains (Hills of Tennessee) in the wilderness "now" and I and my family are always prepared. Not paranoid but prepared, for the worst should it ever happen as you yourself has taken steps. Depending on the layout of your entry hallway to your apartment and apartment arrangement itself. There are great tools you can get a small expense to utilize as an early warning should someone be detected and give you some piece of mind! One is a Dakota Alert System look up the MUR Model there might be a use in your situation for it. Under $200.00. I have several sensors here on the hill and it tells me what zone is being encroached upon. I know when someone is coming a half mile away down the lane and when they are closer, as well as their exact location. And they are also photographed several times before they can get to the house. A simple IR hidden Trail Camera is also an invaluable also for an inexpensive investment.
    But as some have cautioned you the State of CommieFornia is not friendly to law abiding victims who stand their ground! The liberal socialists need their votes from the scumbags and their family! Anyway, also use caution regarding living in an apartment building! Walls are thin and bullets can penetrate as much as 9-10 pieces of drywall which equates to 2 or 3 rooms away from your area. Only a thought! Unless you know something we do not I doubt if they would ever come back while you are there. And to crack your safe while you are gone would take a lot of effort and make a lot of noise. Best for you to meet and speak with your neighbors and all of you be aware and observant of anything that sounds, looks, or happens that is out of place! Good Luck and nothing wrong with being prepared! But do not let it run your life as far as worry! As I stated most are cowardly lazy opportunists!
    By the way the Dakata MUR System will transmit for 2.5 miles!
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  13. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    Sniper, I hope you are right -- that they won't come back.

    The possibility is strong however that they or someone else they talk to would.

    It's one thing to have a good gun safe bolted to the floor. But this only works once.

    Once the bad guys know about it, they can take your stuff if there are enough of them and they come back in sufficient numbers.

    I do not expect them to try to crack the safe. That would be too sophisticated. I would expect them to try to force me to open it for them.

    I would not trust the shotgun against a large group with AR's. To fight against an AR you need another AR -- preferably a Ruger Mini actually. I can reload the Mini faster than I can reload the shotgun. Every time I reload the Mini, I am reloading a full mag rather than just a single shell.

    And I am counting on the bullets flying through the walls to alert the neighbors to call the LEO's to come do their thing in the midst of the firefight that is possibly coming.

    Whenever I hear loud noises at night, it is always either the neighbors upstairs humping, or an earthquake, or the only other thing it could be is someone breaking down my now hardened front door or windows. Noises at night easily wake me. I am not worried about an alarm.

    After that they still need to break into my barricaded safe room. I will be blasting through that bedroom door if someone is trying to break into it -- that means they are already inside the home. The 5.56 does this nicely without destroying the door. My shotgun would only destroy the door.
     
  14. Shoobee

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    There will be lots of dead bodies inside the home to attest to the fact that there was a break-in.

    I don't need video to prove it.

    I have thought of getting remote streaming video so I can watch the place during the day. But the place is hardened enough that it would do no good for someone to hit it in the daytime when I am not here.

    They would need me here to open the safe for them. That's the only way they can get into the safe.

    They'll probably hit in the early hours of the night ... .
     
  15. JTJ

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    The burglar may not come back but he may have a big mouth. Telling some gang members could bring about a home invasion. Since you are in an apartment it would be easier and quieter to come through a wall rather than a door that is obviously protected if they can plan that far. Move as soon as you are able and dont leave a forwarding address other than a PO box.
     
  16. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Even a very small dog could be a good warning system. I have an 11 lb. Papillon and she warns me about everything!!

    Axxe, I don't think you understand the vulnerability one feels when one's personal space has been violated. I think it is difficult to ever really feel safe again once your house is broken into.

    I'm just warning you to not shoot unless you absolutely have to. My possessions are not worth any legal hassles. Only my life would be.
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    actually Winds, i do understand what a break-in feels like. i have gone through four of them in my lifetime so far. two when i was a child, and two as an adult. i fully understand the feelings one has when it happens, but i have learned to overcome allowing some POS's actions to consume my life or to live in fear because it could happen again. it's why i have taken the steps i have, to be better prepared in case it were to happen again.

    life is too short to sit around and dwell on what ifs or what might happen or to allow some things to rule your every waking moment. IMO, that isn't living, that's just existing when you allow the actions of others to rule how a person lives their life. as long as my wife is safe in the event of some random break-in, i have plenty of insurance. the signs outside my property, warning about the dogs i have, are not a hollow threat. if they happen to break-in during the day when we are gone, and get past the dogs and make off with our possessions, again i have insurance. if they break-in during the middle of the night, God help them. between the dogs, the wife and i being armed, they probably won't live long enough to realize how big a mistake they have made.

    i prepare as best i can, but i'm not going to live my life in fear or allow some possible random event to consume my thoughts. life is meant to be lived. living in fear, only gives the BG's more power over you.
     
  18. Defiant_one

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    Very true about the psychological aspect

    Truly our home's are our castle. A place of safety and sanctuary psychologically. When that has been violated, there is a sense of personal violation. Anger actually is coupled with fear as that nest no longer feels "safe"

    You have done all you can. As Sniper_03 said, 95% of these guys are cowards. They don't want noise, attention, gunfight at the OK corral. The other 5%, depends on where in COmmiefornia you live. Is it gangbanger territory or pretty much easy suburbia ? Are your neighbors aware? Many eyes help.

    I hope all works out for you but if you really can't feel "safe", then psychologically, a move is in order.
     
  19. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Sorry. I didn't realize. I have never had my home broken into. I have lived a relatively safe life............thank God.
     
  20. shadecorp

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    Some good ideas.
    I once read about a motion detector that set off a recording of a barking dog.
    I have two dogs,
    one pretty small, just a bit bigger than a Chihuahua,
    very alert and has a high pitched bark.
    The other is a Big Pit Bull of some sort,
    rarely barks but is impressive.
    I am lucky enough to have the room for the dogs.
    And they were both rescued from the street.

    Good Luck,
    some tough choices to make.