November 2012

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by avordman, May 30, 2012.

  1. avordman

    avordman New Member

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    November 2012 is going to be a pivotal month in the history of this great country and the lives of all those who love the hunting sports as well as those who use or collect firearms. We must get out and vote for the Republican candidate, whether we like him or not and believe me when I say that I understand that there are no stellar candidates out there to choose from. It has been said that there will be 30,000,000 Republican and Independant voters who will not vote this election due to their dissatisfaction with the choice of candidates. That is right, I said THIRTY MILLION. Those non-voters alone could decide this election. Regardlees of the old platitude that there is no such thing as a wasted vote, a vote for an Independant or a libertarian, or any other group outside of the two major parties is, at this point, a truly wasted voted. Sorry, but it's a fact.
    The present administration wants to disarm this country's people and is in bed with the United Nations to do just that by buying into the mandates that the U.N. is trying to foist upon the free world. If Obama is re-elected and doesn't need to worry about re-election again, he will not care who he disenfranchises as long as he gets his way and can force his beliefs on OUR country. At this point, and whether we agree with them or not, we need to support the Republican party.

    This is solely my opinion and is in no way associated with, or endorsed by, any other person or organization.
     

  2. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    The big swing states are currently Florida, Pa, Ohio, NC, Virginia, Wisc, and Colorado. Those are the states to watch.

    There are a few more chickenfeed swing states as well -- Nev, Iowa, NH.

    In the other states the race is already pretty much decided.

    O has 217 and R has 191, which is actually pretty close.

    A lot of Independents are going to be bothered that R has completely switched his positions compared with when he ran against Ted Kennedy for Senate, and when he was gov of Mass. Ergo can you trust anyone who flip-flops like that?? The running joke on SNL (Sat Nite Live) is that Romney-care really is Obama-care.

    By the same token, it will be apparent to all the gullible Independents who believed the promises made by O on the economy where possible, so they may be looking for new promises from somewhere else, which is what R is promising. Yes we can has turned out to be no we didn't.

    It will probably be a close election, maybe with another Florida moment, like Bush v Gore.

    The demographics so far are fascinating.

    O has the northeast, the great lakes, and the far west locked up. His really big states are Calif, NYS, ILL, Mich & Md.

    R has the south, the plains, and the intermountain west locked up. His really big states are Tex, Ga, Ariz, Ind & Tenn.

    The battleground states are splattered all across the national map though.

    This looks like the American Civil War all over again.

    http://www.270towin.com/

    I too believe everyone should register and get out to vote. The USA is a local democracy and a federal republic, and this only works if citizens actually take the time and make the effort to vote. The easiest way to vote is register for mail-in absentee ballot, if your state lets you do this. Otherwise you just need to go and stand in line, much as people hate to stand in lines.
     
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  3. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    How about the

    140 Million + voters who now own guns?

    Combined, less than 130 Million people voted for B.O. and McCain

    in the last presidential election.

    WE have the power.

    WILL WE USE IT?
     
  4. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    That's another really good question. In states with high percentages of gun ownership, it could make a difference in those states. But in states like Calif and NYS where gun ownership is less than 25% in that case it would not. So it still comes down to the swing states. The RNC has already captured the states with large percentages of gun ownership.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html
     
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  5. Jim1611

    Jim1611 New Member

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    November will be a time to make history no matter who wins. We all know how it will go if obama wins. If Romney wins and doesn't cut spending, repeal obama care, and shrink the size of the government he will make the following elections easy for the dems to win. I have a feeling he'll do this too.
     
  6. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    So...let me get this straight. You want me to vote for Mitt Romney, right?

    Romney said:

    "My Views Are Progressive."
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOlUt9mDmnE&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    “I’m not running as the Republican view or a continuation of Republican values. That’s not what brings me to the race.”
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBH77ng4HLs&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    “I think it’s very clear to people across the commonwealth my R doesn’t as much stand for Republican as it does for reform.”
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6whWpSbj-Q&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    “It’s always a burden to have run with R for Republican after your name.”
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cmOMB1hG2M&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    ”I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.”
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Cw_QUrIuQ&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    Romney supported that socialist mess called TARP. He appointed very liberal judges in Massachusetts. He created socialized health care in that state. He has a pretty extensive pro-abortion record. He signed a bill in 2004 to permanently ban "assault" weapons in Massachusetts.

    And you want me to vote for Romney because otherwise a nasty liberal will be in office?!

    "Romney is the Barack Obama of the GOP." -Selwyn Duke



    You vote however you please. Allow me to do the same. And if Obama should retain office, please don't ever tell me I threw my vote away.

    Anyone who considers him or herself a conservative...anyone who appreciates the constitution, the rule of law, and individual rights who votes for Mitt Romney out of fear that Obama will retain office

    HAS THROWN THEIR VOTE AWAY AND BETRAYED EVERYTHING THEY CLAIM TO HOLD DEAR!

    Screw that. We know the game: vote for the lesser of two evils. That game will continue until enough of us refuse to play. I won't play anymore.

    Ron Paul 2012

    (Yeah, I'll write in his name if I have to because he's the only one whose principles are those of a constitutional conservative.)
     
  7. Wiebelhaus

    Wiebelhaus New Member

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    What bkt has said +1
     
  8. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    So we all need to have a candidate we can agree on,

    or that rusty wingnut is going back into office by default.

    Who's it going to be?
     
  9. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    Didnt everyone in the RNC race step down by now?

    So that leaves the lesser of two evils --

    - Obama has experience now, looks good, gives great speeches, the world leaders love him

    - Romney is new at this, flip flops a lot, dont know what he is really thinking, dont know what he will try to do

    Which is the lesser of two evils? Not an easy question.
     
  10. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    The question remains the same.

    So who should we,

    140 Million voters strong,

    more voting power than both

    major parties combined,

    vote for ?
     
  11. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    I suspect most of those are already in your red states and are voting.

    Like I said, they are sprinkled across the blue states and are a minority there.

    Besides, Romney is no friend of gun rights. Check his record in Mass. and see.

    When you put the RNC mantle on him, it wont change his spots or stripes.
     
  12. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    W T F are you talking about, "sprinkled"?

    TOTAL VOTES in 2008

    BY BOTH PARTIES: 129,000,000

    That means LESS THAN 79,000,000

    of those votes ELECTED OBAMA.


    45% of American voters own guns. Out of a TOTAL population of

    310,000,000 people, that's 140,000,000 GUN OWNERS

    HELLOOO!



    WE HAVE 140,000,000+ VOTES at our disposal.

    That doesn't sound like a sprinkle to me.

    It sounds more like a flood.

    Now that, HOPEFULLY, we're on the same page,

    whom should we vote for?

    Just criticizing and bashing other candidates

    IS NOT HELPING.
     
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  13. avordman

    avordman New Member

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    bkt, I hear you!!! Believe me, if Ron Paul was a viable contender I would vote for him in a heart beat. I like most of what he stands for and believe that if he could get elected, he would change this country for the better. Unfortunately, at his point in the game, he can't get elected and a vote for Ron Paul is the same as a vote for a known Socialist. The reality is that we need to clean up the Senate and the House. With the right people in them, the president is, for the most part, a non-issue.
     
  14. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Respectfully, I disagree. A vote for Ron Paul or whomever you think is right for the job is just a vote for that person. When we start worrying about casting a vote against someone else, we get lost and we have problems.

    Congress is a mess and always has been; that's been the plan since the beginning. But you're right - a congress comprised mostly of people who have read and really ascribe to the constitution is necessary for anything to really change.
     
  15. tomgodd

    tomgodd Active Member

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    What bkt said.
     
  16. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Apparently every Conservative voter would need his/her own party, since the spirit of compromise and the idea of 'greater good' seems to be dead. From all appearances this is the 'do-or-die' election for this country as we know it. Every dead person will vote, every nursing home patient is going to vote absentee ballot, every person with multiple identities is going to be at the polls come November and vote Democrat, same-day registering to vote, absentee ballots from the military mysteriously 'misplaced.'…and here we are griping because the presumed Republican candidate doesn't meet every requirement on our personal check-off sheet of our imaginary perfect candidate. Some even threaten to withhold their vote, or vote for Paul, just to make a statement of their displeasure of choice of candidate. Flash News! No one will make any note of votes thrown away. But one thing for sure. The Socialist/democrat party is organized. They don't care about anything but remaining in power to continue the 'Change' being foisted upon this country. Vote your conscience, by all means, but also keep in mind….'every vote counts' doesn't work if you vote for Mickey Mouse or anyone else not on the ballot.
     
  17. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Vote how you wish and let others do likewise.

    For the record, it isn't that Romney doesn't meet every requirement on my personal check-off sheet. It's that he doesn't meet any requirement on my personal check-off sheet.

    Like I said before, if you're OK playing the lesser-of-two-evils game some more, that's cool. Deal me out. I've had enough.
     
  18. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    If Ron Paul shows up on my ballett that is who gets my vote. If he is not on it then there is a box that say none of the above or something like that to put my check mark in. This lesser of two evils game has to stop and the only way for it to stop is that American people making a stand.
     
  19. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    That's pretty much what I said: "….Vote your conscience, by all means, but also keep in mind…."
    But come the morning after the votes are counted and the dust has settled, either Obama or Romney will be our president for the coming four years. The flavor of the SC for years, if not decades, will likely be decided during these four years. Romney isn't my personal choice either, but truth of the matter, a candidate that reflected all the Conservative values I would like to see in a president probably wouldn't be elected any any case. Ron Paul a case in point. I'm not denigrating anyones' decision as to who to vote for and I don't think for a second that anything I write will change anyone's thinking (or vote.)
    I was just expressing my thoughts on the matter.