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Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by CaseyChadwell, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    I recently watched machine gun preacher and it kind of got me thinking...where could an american citizen go to get actual combat experience (not in the us military) without getting in trouble with the us government? Is that even possible in today's world? Not wanting combat experience, just one of those thoughts I can't get to go away.
     

  2. molonlabexx

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    Joining a militia/ minuteman group could get some good training but nothing is better than the real things. that sense of breaking you down is what makes training legit and useful.

    Or, like the above said, go to Chicago
     
  3. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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  4. DeltaF

    DeltaF New Member

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    If you are serious, apply to a security contracting company that works overseas like Triple Canopy.
     
  5. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Define combat.

    Get a job as a Corrections Officer. Work as a bouncer. There are legal firms that perform armed security for US interests in foreign nations (think Blackwater and similar companies)- however, they are usually looking for Alumni of military combat. Join the Legion Etrangere.

    Please note that serving in the military of another nation is fraught with legal problems.

    Or go find the local paintballers if you want to spend Sunday afternoons playing games in the woods. There are worse things you can do.
     
  6. CaseyChadwell

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    Like I said...the thought came to me after watching machine gun preacher. At the end of the movie it said he still goes over there to fight to this day. I guess I just don't understand how a united states civilian is getting away with fighting rebels in an African country. With that thought came the thought about could any us citizen do such things, or is it because he is doing so much for the children that nothing is said to him about killing men in another country...
     
  7. CaseyChadwell

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    And c3, I have been in the army reserves (mp) and was a corrections officer for the commonwealth of Kentucky in a psychiatric center for the prisons. There was some definite "combat" in the psych center...it just usually involved fecal matter. And never saw any combat in the reserves...never left the states in fact.
     
  8. FrontierTCB

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    Well played Sir.
     
  9. jimogden1984

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    change your name to gecko45, training complete
     
  10. JW357

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    That's an interesting point. I dunno.

    I was going to tell you (not really seriously) to join the French Foreign Legion.
     
  11. CrazedJava

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    That is so weird, I just started watching that movie this morning on my Kindle (I typically watch movies in 30 minute chunks)

    Here's the deal.

    What he is doing is likely illegal. He's not murdering US Citizens so he's not on the hook for murder in the US. It's Africa so no one really cares but he's also got zero diplomatic cover for his actions. That means if he's ever arrested by officials over there, the US can do diddly and squat for him, unless they want to basically look like they condone his actions, which I doubt will happen because I haven't seen a political backbone from our leadership in awhile.

    I can't remember the guys name, but I do remember reading about him. Not sure if he is still going on mission trips or not. However, if he continues to engage in these rescues, eventually he's going to get into more trouble than he can get out of on his own.

    There are many parts of Africa that are essentially lawless. That's the only reason why he gets away with it.
     
  12. SSGN_Doc

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    Legally, through the contractors. They usually hire based on military experience, and combat experience is preferred.

    There are mercenaries. They operate independently, and get hired by governments or groups. If they get hired by a government, that government gives them the coverage as a combatant. Other independent mercenaries take the risk for the money. Again, prior experience makes for a more desirable hire.

    So, you're right. Getting the experience becomes the trick. Otherwise it would probably be like a lot of other jobs. It's who you know to get hired, then get the training, then the experience follows.
     
  13. DeltaF

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    Some of the contractors will hire based on law enforcement experience. I had one of them try to recruit me. I'd have gone for it if it hadn't been 3 years away from home at a time. Even the military doesn't do that crap.

    But if I ever end up in a divorce, well let's just say I'm solid gone. She can have everything but the guns and I'll be somewhere that costs $10 to make a phone call.
     
  14. c3shooter

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    Back in 82 I had the Vinnel Corp recruiting for the SANG project in Saudi Arabia. Money and bennies were extremely good. Duty sucked. 13 month tour in SA, tax free.

    But anyone that considers this would do well to remember Roland.....


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhRRWwH3Fro[/ame]
     
  15. seancslaughter

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    I was actively recruited by black water in 2005 offered $98,000 for a 1 year tour doing ppo work in Iraq I had been back maybe 10 months by then and just had a newborn at home and was wounded twice in al taji in 03 and felt like I had used up all my luck then so I turned them down. I kick myself in the *** about that now lol. Private security contractors will damn near only hire combat vets and almost exclusively from the elite groups only exceptions I ever have seen are cops who go over to train law enforcement, k9 handlers, eod, intelligence, and interpreters( Arabic, Dari, Farsi and Pashto) best bet is either the legion which is a military organization or take your *** to Syria and sign up for a side.
     
  16. CaseyChadwell

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    I'll stick with fighting the deer population here in the county :). Don't think I'm one to go fight someone else's war in another country unless its for my country of course.
     
  17. seancslaughter

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    Shoot volunteer with angels in Africa sounds like he is still getting a piece of action
     
  18. 7point62

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    He'd have trouble getting vetted for contract work overseas without
    legitimate military creds or combat history.
     
  19. DeltaF

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    Had a buddy did it. Left the PD to work for one. No overseas experience, just a year of police work. He started off as a role player for their training stuff and ended up in Iraq a year later.

    One of the guys told me the LEOs have it easier because they are used to a set use of force continuum here in the states. He was doing security for dignitaries overseas.