Norinco M4

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Fisherking, Jun 23, 2010.

  1. Fisherking

    Fisherking New Member

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    Has anyone had any experiance with a Norinco M4. I can get one here for $700.00 new , it has a crome lined barrel and carrier. abi safety aloy upper and lower and abi mag release.
    I have one of thier M1A s and it has been great and reliable 1MOA at 100yrds.
    Thanks F.K.
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    We cannot get Chinese firearms imported into the US. It looks like Marstar has some sweet deals on Chinese imports (Norinco). My main concern is the level of heat treating they put into the bolts, barrels and barrel extensions on these. Judging by their history with the M-14's and the improper heat treating of the receivers, I have serious questions.
     

  3. Fisherking

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    The old ones I have head have had there problems. the new M1A receivers are all drop forged and from what I have heard are much sought after.
    I was wondering why you can't get chinese imports there Is it a trade isue or something like that?
    F.K.
     
  4. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Embargo on Chinese military style arms. We can get the shotguns. Most of the M-14's imported into the US had the heat treat problem. They may have corrected it, but did so too late for many to get in (IIRC)
     
  5. andy_ita

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    well i got my norinco m4 saturday, payd 1000 euro here in italy, arround 1300$. is cheaper..cause i payd my oly k3b 2000 euro (2600 usd) and my bushmaster 3000usd
    prices apart..they are crazy here...
    the norinco is not a bad made rifle.
    i shoot 200 rounds on sunday, with any problems.
    i use gmag (german version of pmag, made by oberland).
    when i bought it, i removed the selectore and work with a small file, cause it was very hard to move. not it work good. i will replace it cause i dont like ambidestrous safety.
    the plastics are good, the finish is good.. in some parts better than the k3b
    and it have 14.5"...hard to find here due the limit export from usa...
    ithink...for this price.. is a very good rifle...
     
  6. M14sRock

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    The Chinese M14 problems were with the bolts. Some of the early imports had soft bolts, but most were fine. But the damage was done and the ChiComs were branded as junk.

    Ron Smith at Smith Enterprise thinks the ChiCom receivers are some of the best ever made, but he does re-heat treat them (M80HT, which is basically Melonite).

    I have an Armscorp M14 that came new with a Chinese bolt and it has a LOT of rds through it. Still a tack driver.

    I'm guessing the Chinese have improved their quality dramatically due to their public relations problems in the past. Their M4 is probably GTG.

    (Disclaimer-Any Chinese M14 should have the headspace checked prior to firing.)
     
  7. diggsbakes

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    I don't know why you'd even want to mess with a Chinese M4. There are too many American made options for that line of firearms to count. And for $700? ? ? That's not even close to being worth a dice throw.

    They're AKs were cool 10+ years ago, because you could still find and shoot them during ban era, plus the AK was a commie gun anyways. The shoe fit. We wore it.

    Save another couple hundred bucks and build you a respectable M4gery.
     
  8. Fisherking

    Fisherking New Member

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    I Just got a Norinco M4 and it functions flawlessly. I just put on a Yanky Hill free float handgard and Yanky hill flipup front sight last night. I plan to take it to the range on the weakend.
    So far I have had realy good luck with the Norinco fire arms .I have a 1911 comander $300.00 new
    M14 $ 500.00 new
    M4 $700.00 new Canadian money
    Drop forged recivers crome lined barels
    and acurate.
    If I were to buy a new bush master or colt here in Canada I'm looking at $1500.00 and up or tho build on I would have to go through an importer I have checked andI'm still looking at $1200.00+
    But thanks for the heads up. In the next two years I do plan to build one when the money is there.
    F.K.
     
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  9. andy_ita

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    i think u american guys should not have any problems to have an ar15. the production there count lot of producers..so the line of prices is very long...

    for the italian, and maybe canadian market... things are differents..and costs are more high...
    btw.. i have a colt, a bushmaster, and a olympic.. my best choose is US production...always
     
  10. Fisherking

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    I agree it was a cost thing for me to get in on an AR for cheap. After I will go American and there is a Canadian company that is also doing an AR. Alberta Tactical Riffle, but they are realy expencive but top of the line.
    A stipped lower is going for $450.00 Canadian.
     
  11. Ubergopher

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    How much is that in real money? :D
     
  12. Fisherking

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    Right now about US $425.00:rolleyes:in that funny all green stuff.
    F.K.
     
  13. diggsbakes

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    That's hilarious F.K. you gotta admit. . . LMFAO
     
  14. pagj17

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    But it's not just green anymore! even the 5's are getting color:/
    Damn monopoly money.
     
  15. Fisherking

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    It's funny for shure . The northern states exept our cash preaty good and in the southern states they will exept it as a novelty some times.
    American money is used as a standard in a lot of countries. I think Canadian cash is worth about $0.95 U.S.
     
  16. 556plinker

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    Fisherking!!!!

    You live in Canada not that that is bad but given the situation I think it would be prudent to get your hands on whatever is available even if it is a chinese import. Lots of people have sks's and Ak's from overseas. I don't know what your agenda is but for basic self defense I'm sure the Norinco would not be a bad choice for the price......you could work it over with quality ar products from the U.s.....for starters I would get a DPMS for the lower rework and possibly a new bolt. That being said, if it shoots fine and it probably will just leave it alone. I have empathy for your situation regarding firearms but maybe someday that will change if the right people are elected. We might have the same poliltical landscape if things are not rectified this november.
     
  17. Fisherking

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    I have already put a few things on it. I changed out the hand gaurd for a Yanky hill free float cusomizable hand gaurd carbine length,YHM flip up front sight gas block so far. I also reworked the trigger to take out the creap so now it breaks clean at about 5 lbs.
    I took it to the range on Sunday and it shot 1 inch to 1.5 inches with Iron sights at 100 yards using a bipod.
    Good luck in November . From what I have heard the Republicans are set to take over the Senate, but keep your fingers crost. What happes there sometimes sets the tone for us. That is why I belong to the NRA and Canada's NFA.
    Regards Fisher King.
     
  18. M14sRock

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    Good shooting! Be gentle with trigger work on AR's. The surface hardness is thin and if you stone through it the trigger will degrade fast. Though I have no idea if the ChiComs are built the same way.
     
  19. Fisherking

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    I noticed that the hammer conection was realy hard . I took the creap out by filling down the hight of the sear ingagment on the hammer and I used a hammer file to first get the roughness out of the engagment surface on the hammer than I used a medium India stone ,fine india stone than a hard very fine trigger track stone for the final stoning which put a high gloss shine on it.
    If I find that I'm getting galling I will re stone and give it a Kisnet aplication(sp). Or I will go the way of a new trigger& hamer.
    F.K.
     
  20. M14sRock

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    Sounds like it needed help.

    I thought about this on my drive in today. The ChiComs may not be using US Mil Spec part manufacturing. They tend to be more old school, so perhaps they have hammer, sears and disconnectors that are not surface hardened the same way ours are? It would be good to know....