Non-resident chl

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Bootsdeal, Mar 17, 2011.

  1. Bootsdeal

    Bootsdeal New Member

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    I'm a Texan, with a Texas Driver's License, but with a Utah non-resident CHL, which is valid in 33 states including Texas. My question is to other Texans with this same CHL from Utah -- do you present it to LEO's if stopped for a minor traffic violation? Also, do you know if Texas LEO's have the data to know if you have a Utah CHL, as they do if you have a Texas CHL.
     
  2. NGIB

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    Do you also have a Texas permit? As a TX resident, I don't think you can legally carry in TX on a non-resident permit - you must also have a TX permit. The purpose of an additional non-resident permit is to allow you to carry in states where you are not a resident and where your home state permit is not recognized - additional reciprocity. Robocop10mm is a Texas LEO and he may drop in to answer this one...
     
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  3. Bootsdeal

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    No, it is legal in Texas for us to have this CHL from Utah and not only here but in 32 other states. I printed off a copy of both the Texas and Utah statutes. If stopped for traffic violation, I'll probably go ahead and show the CHL and inform officer of CCW. I think that's the right thing to do. The only reason I don't have a Texas CHL is because, at the time, the wait was for nearly a year versus 3 months with Utah.
     
  4. Jo da Plumbr

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    I"d be getting the Texas permit if I was planning to stay there long. As for showing there are some Texas boys that will be along to speak to that.
     
  5. NGIB

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    Yes, when it comes to reciprocity Texas does honor the Utah permit - just like it honors my Georgia permit. My point is that reciprocity is limited to what non-resident permits a state will recognize for non-resident visitors. As a resident of Texas - how long can you legally drive on an out of state license?
     
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  6. robocop10mm

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    You have been misinformed. As a Texas resident, the only permit that is valid in Texas is a Texas CHL, period.

    The Utah permit allows you to carry in states that have reciprocity with Utah, but not Texas.
     
  7. Durangokid

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    I don't know about Texas. Here in Wyoming you can use a Utah permit if you are a Wyoming resident. The Utah permit is treated the same as a Wyoming resident permit. Our laws differ on some points. You must follow Wyoming laws while using an out of state permit. There is no time limits on the Utah Permit. In Wyoming you are not required to inform the LEO of your concealed firearm. They of course will find out when they run your Wyoming Drivers licenses. With a Utah permit it will not show up on the check. Damn life is too complex an't it?:)

    DK
     
  8. NGIB

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    Good to have you back doing what you do best big fella - ending threads! :D
     
  9. soldierman79

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    *deleted*

    Sorry, I found the answer, Thanks. ;)
     
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  10. NGIB

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    Reciprocity does not apply to residents of a state within their home state - it is for out of state visitors.

    As Robo is an experienced Texas LEO, he probably knows the law in this area...
     
  11. NGIB

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    Also, as active duty military you did not even need a GA permit because active duty military are afforded the same carry privileges as LEOs...
     
  12. soldierman79

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    Good to know. I appreciate the info. Guess i'm gonna have to sign up for that ccl class when i get home. Thanks y'all!
     
  13. Bushman

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    Hmmm...
    I have an Oregon CCW and a Utah CCW.
    I think your situation is different. I understand that a bill is pending in Utah that will restrict out of state applications to have a home state permit prerequisite. This is due to a huge number of Texans who have obtained Utah permits because they didn't qualify for a Texas CCW but qualified for a Utah CCW. Also they're cheaper than a Texas CCW.
    Nothing I read indicated that Texas residents with a Utah CCW cannot carry in Texas.
     
  14. C_Rion

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    There is a whole bunch of erroneous misinformation in this thread.
    You absolutly CAN carry on an out of state permit in TX as a TX resident.
    Robocop, before dispensing legal opinions, perhaps you should consult with your departmenst legal advisor or the Prosecutor or DA. AT least that way you will be giving correct answers, instead of the totally incorrect answer you provided here. Just because your a police officer and say the law is one way, dosent make it true, no matter how much you wish it were. Honestly, I expected more from a Moderator and a TX LEO. For your sake, I STRONGLY advise you to consult with your departments Legal Advisor, or the District Attorney concerning TX Resident Carry on an out of state permit before you arrest someone for it, and you find out the hard way after the fact that carry on an out of state permit is in fact legal.

    The Residency bill is HB 356, and it has, thankfully, died in committee. There was a whole lot more opposition to this bill than support, and that helped keep the bill from getting out of committee. SO for now, anyone with an out of state permit is good to go. Also, there was NOT a huge number of people with UTAH permits. There were , by utahs estimate, 5000 issued in TX. That is a drop in the bucket considering the total number of permitted people in TX. Honestly, with 3 states passing Constitutional permitless carry this session, the national trend is to do away with a permit requirement all together. Going in the opposite direction and further restricting options for carry in TX is a step backwards when the rest of teh pro gun states are moving forward. Hopefully, TX will soon join the Constitutional carry states, then this will be a mute point. And last but not least, for the argument that you need a TX license to drive, fish, hunt, etc. Those are Privaledges. The ability to keep and bare arms is a RIGHT. As soon as you categorize that right and the requirments to license with other privaledges and their license requirments, you have lowered that right to a privaledge. Once you do that, reestablishing the ability to keep and Bare arms as a rright and not a privaledge is VERY hard legally, and in most places damn near impossible. Do not use the licensing requirements of privaledges to justify licenseing requirements for a right. That line of reasoning dosen't do you, or anyone else, any kind of favors.
     
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  15. Durangokid

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    As most of you know by now. In order to get or renew your Utah Permit you must first have a Permit from your home state. After May 10th 2011 you can not apply for a Utah Permit without a home state permit. After Jan 2011 you must have a home state permit to renew your Utah permit. The rules regarding Insts. have also changed.:( The exception to this. If your state does not issue permits you are exempt from this rule. You may get a Utah permit without a home state permit.:D
     
  16. Bushman

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    Wow, that's quite a post for #1...
    so much for being tactful.
     
  17. Dashell

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    Ccw

    I have the utah permit and under Idaho law I can carry without a seperate Idaho CCW. Just accross the border in the peoples republic of WA. You cannot carry on the Utah CCW if a Wa resident you must have a WA ccw as well.

    My instructor and the range owner is a cop and works (as a hobby) a few shifts a week. He says don't give your CCW permit to him if stopped for a traffic violation as it is just one more thing he would have to handle. If you are in fact armed (in some states a gun in the glovebox is considered concealed) it is a good idea to let the officer know as they hate suprises!

    There also some locals that know you have a permit when they run your plate, this depends on how up to date thier systems are.
     
  18. Dzscubie

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    I'll check on this tomorrow, however Rion I take exception to your obnoxious post to Robo. And by the way ... it's TEXAS not Tejas.

    Scubie
     
  19. robocop10mm

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    I venture to say he probably will not be here long, if ever again.
     
  20. Big Gay Al

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    Well, I don't know about GA law, but usually that's only true while actually engaged in the performance of your duties. Off duty, you're like any other citizen, and usually need a license/permit.