No guns allowed signs

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by 1911love, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    I see these terrible signs and they make me cringe. In Florida these worthless signs carry no legal weight except in courthouses, police stations, and federal buildings. I choose to ignore them except for the places mentioned in the last sentence. These places have armed security to keep people there safe. My life and safety of my loved ones is more important that some anti-rights business owner’s utopian views. What a crazy world we live in where ANYONE is permitted to create the “safe” gun free zones! I am curious about how other states treat these signs under the law and how others that carry respond to them. Please weigh in.
     
  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    in wisconsin its a civil forfeiture cept for federal state govt buildings and schools where federal protection for mass murderers keeps guns out of the hands of honest law abiding citizens. cant have a ccw person stopping a mass murderer from slaughtering children can we??

    fine is 200$

    i ignore such things. 200$ is cheaper than losing my life or massive hospital bills and being out of work after being shot by a government sanctioned and approved mass murderer. unless a business provides armed security and metal detectors with a place to store my handgun im not leaving it behind.
    wisconsin
    there is no criminal or civil jeorpady attached to violating pro-murder signs in wisconsin just a fine on the same order as not picking up your dog's poop on the sidewalk. what you do is your own business
     
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  3. Rarity

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    The law here does not specify anything about gun signs. The gun sign however is to be treated by the force of law which every sign should ;)
     
  4. bkt

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    I'm pretty sure in New York when a company posts a sign like that you have a choice to obey it, ignore it and risk being tossed out for trespassing, or just not patronize that private businesses and take your money elsewhere.

    If you want people to respect your rights, you have to respect theirs. If a place has a "no weapons" sign, I'll respect it by not going there and not spending my money there. I recommend you do likewise.
     
  5. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    You mean this sign?
     

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  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    i kinda disagree. a public business is a public place not private property. the supreme court has ruled on this sort of thing. just because states have chosen to ignore and disrespect my right to self defense is not going to make me respect them.

    you cant bar a person fom a business based on race sex or political opinions. a business cannot remove your inalienable rights just because they disagree with them. hang a sign on a door at walmart saying no blacks, democrats, muslims see how that goes.
     
  7. silverado113

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    So does that mean you can sue the government if you slip and fall in a business? One could argue on the same token that if you're at a residence then it's public, if a business owner is paying his/her bank note on the property; how is it public? Oh and business owners have the right to refuse service at any time to anyone. Probably not a good idea, but it is within the owner's right.
     
  8. JonM

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    its both. sounds odd but its true. its what confuses people. during business hours a store is open to the public. a business however does not have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. its another popular myth. dont believe me, open a business and refuse to let all women or chinese or blonde haired men in the door.

    if you choose to cause a disturbance the business can have you removed by the police. ask a cop to remove a man because he is black see how it goes.

    the reason gun owners are banned is because we let them do it and knuckle under. i dont believe its ever been challenged. ccw types tend to be law abiding sorts (me included) and so we prefer to just leave if asked or follow a personal policy of dont ask dont tell when it comes to carry. the issue never really comes up and if it does we just pay our fines and move on. thats what we do. its not in our nature to fight it out in court and just man-up and take the consequences if we decide to ignore a sign. or just respect the sign and dont patronize the place.

    we dont burn buildings down take dumps on cop cars and hold drum circles in the state capitol just cuz something doesnt go our way like liberals do.

    if we werent law abiding citizens why would we go through the effort and expense of acquiring ccw licenses and training classes??
     
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  9. MobileMarine

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    They have signs that say this ??:D:D
    I WILL carry if I so choose any where I want other than gov buildings
     
  10. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    I agree with the race part of refusal as that's in the Civil Rights of 64' but an owner can say it's for a different reason and who's to argue. It will be a scene but in the end that "customer" will be escorted off the property from the instances I have seen. Here in Iowa those signs have no legal jurisdiction and the CCW holder can be asked to leave and if they don't or refuse then it's considered trespassing.I'm screwed anyways, my business is in the basement right now :( best and worst of both worlds I guess.
     
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  11. JonM

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    thats my point. no one who ccw's lawfully pushes the point. we abide and leave without argument. its never been tested all the way to the supreme court. racial discrimination has.

    its just not in the nature of a typical ccw'er to fight to that extent. we have lives jobs and loved ones who depend on us. so it comes down to the reward not being worth the risk.
     
  12. mountainman13

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    Maybe we should play the game like everyone else. Instead of a kiss-in a chic-fil-a we can have a carry-in at movie theaters. Lol
     
  13. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    I already do that :D We can carry just about anywhere here, and the only sign I have seen is Chuck E Cheese, but they don't search you :D
     
  14. rigjumpr

    rigjumpr New Member

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    The only signs I worry about………..
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  15. Jpyle

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    A private business cannot discriminate based on sex, religion, race, etc. That's not to say that a businessowner looses all rights to require that business be transacted on his terms, for example no shoes or shirt...no service signs. They do not carry the weight of law, unless a state has a law requiring patrons wear shirts and shoes, but are enforceable as conditions of doing business. While I personally do not agree with, and would refuse to do business with, an establishment that posts no gun signs, I support their right to do so just as I supported Joey Vento's right to refuse service at his restaurant to anyone unwilling to order in English.
     
  16. PrimePorkchop

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    I want to move to WI...maybe I can convince the owner of my job to open a new store there...
     
  17. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    Rigjumpr:
    What state are those signs from? Doesn't seem logical on the first one because dirt bags don't have a permit. I guess if you DON'T have a permit you could carry on those premises???
     
  18. JonM

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    Texas. First one is federal second is state. Both are enforced with jail time unless your robbing the place or committing a murder or six
     
  19. JonM

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    We are open for business!!