Nipple Wrench for RDstrain49

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by KAB, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. KAB

    KAB New Member

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    After going through a few messed up cheap Italian Nipple Wrenches , cussing , screaming , and refusing to pay more money for the expensive Ratchet Style they sell , years ago I decided American Inginuity is going to rule my life , not Market Shares .
    So , I started making my own out of Craftsmen 1/4" sockets and a good socket wrench . I cut slot with a Dremel cutting blade and finished with a file to fit perfectly .
    These will crank off any stuck nipple and make my life EASY-ER :D
    I use the extension to start the nipple , even with greasy fingers , this is the way to go . I recently discovered on my Pocket Navy Colt the nipples are the same exact size as the 1851 Navy but the cylinder is tighter around the nipple , requiring me to nutt up last night and make another socket for the task of one revolver . I did not have my Moto-Tool last night , its stuck on a job , so I hand filed this into submission and it fits EXACT . Sweet system too works great , you should try it ;) But , I highly recommend a Moto-Tool for the first part of the job , the hand filing took me an hour and a quarter without it . But then again , I am a danged determined man :D

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    There ya go RD , neccessity is the creator of invention . :)

    Don't mess with a man and his plan :D
     
  2. rdstrain49

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    Looks like I'm going to have to try that. Guess I could turn the diameter in the drill press. Thanks. Should have a range report on my little shooter if it ever quits snowing.
     

  3. KAB

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    Snow !

    You keep your snow in your part of the country ok RD , LOL , I have had enough of it thanks :D
    Whatever socket size you use , just make sure the inside of the socket will fit over the nipple pretty much exactly , I think I used a 1/4" drive socket that was 5/32nds ? Drill press is a great idea ;) A file held to it or emery cloth to get the thickeness just right, yup , great idea there RD .
    Should be interesting compairing notes on this Pocket Navy with the both of us shooting the same revolver and different loads . We are most likely going this next week and will take pics this time too . I swapped out nipples with one of my other Ubertis till my Tressos arrive . Being my gun , for my wife , it has to run right for her . She is a new shooter so the experience must be a pleasant one . She didn't get too bummed with it jamming caps , but messing with a stuck action with the other cylinders loaded live is never a good thing at the Range . But I think this problem will be a MUTE point soon :D
    I don't think there is a more beautiful sight than watching your wife enjoy your sport for the first time and telling you what a great time this is and now I get it and why you do it honey :D .....Hell Yes !
    Enjoy RD , will chat soon , KAB out
     
  4. rdstrain49

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    KAB
    There is no such thing as a 5/32" socket in Custer SD. I settled on a 3/16" deep socket. Used a die grinder with a cutoff wheel to notch the file lines, cut the notch for the shoulder of the nipple. Chucked the socket in the drill press, then used the die grinder with an abrasive wheel to turn the outside diameter to fit the cylinder recess. Dressed it with fine emery cloth. End result, looks factory made, works better than any nipple wrench I've ever had. Total time about 15 min. Great idea, thanks.

    Now if the wind will die down a bit, I'll have a range report.
     
  5. KAB

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    Ok

    Ok RD , you know how this works , I want to see the pics , LOL .....
    Factory made , man , your gonna make my Redneck work look pretty bad arent you ! :D
    I posted this recipe on Cass 10 years ago for those wrenches and nobody took me serious , now you come along and prove it to be a fact its the greatest thing since the Bikini :D
    Cheerios RD ;)
     
  6. KAB

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    Oh , and RD , I want CLOSE-UPS too , LOL :D
     
  7. rdstrain49

    rdstrain49 New Member

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    OK Close ups it is/are/was whatever.

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    Now for the range report. None of the 5 chambers will fire. Looks like the well for the nipples was drilled a bit too deep. Even swapped nipples with the '51 Navy. No luck. Now if I can just find a washer that is 5mm ID x 8mm OD I'll be in business.
     
  9. KAB

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    Well , aint that sumtin !

    Wow RD, beautiful work :D
    Well , sounds like a trip to your local NUT and BOLT palace to me . We have one here , but that dont help you . Looks to me by your fabrication skills , you can make your own washers :D
    I swear Tony in Italy must have been out drinking wine for lunch and forgot to check the Mill Depth prior to boring those holes , crap Batman , no dang good !:mad:
    You'll figure it out :)
     
  10. rdstrain49

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    So far the only way I have found to get the right size washer is to have them custom made. Minimum order 100, price per each $1.95 + shipping. I think not. Can't modify a washer that is close, the three mm width of the finished washer is just too thin to work with. My armorers background has got me thinking outside the box if I can't find the correct size washer. I will get the little shooter running yet. It's not a problem, just another challenge to be met and overcome.
     
  11. KAB

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    Ok

    If you would like , tomarrow , they are closed tonight , I can check to see if my Palace has the washers you need , I can buy by the ones too there :D
    What thickness do you want to try ? Stainless or Carbon Steel or coated ?
    Exact measurements you need would be helpfull too ? No problem doin it for ya , and if they have some , will drop um in an envelope for you , probably be there in two days .

    Cheerios RD
     
  12. rdstrain49

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    After a bit of trial and error I found that if I take 3 3/4" of .011 copper wire, wrap it around the nipple just below the shoulder and firmly seat the nipple in the cylinder, I get 100% ignition on all five chambers. Not the by the book repair, just field armory at it's best. (shade tree gun smithing)

    Now, range report first warm day.

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  13. KAB

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    Where there is a will , there is a way , good job .
     
  14. KAB

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    As useual RD

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    I am guessing you don't have any SEARS stores in South Dakota there RD ?
    If you do , or have access to SEARS on the WEB or Catalog , then you have 5/32nds sockets . :D Just sayin ! LOL

    Your way over thinkin this washer thing RD , just shave off the bottom of the nipple base , its a straight line flash channel in the end of that nipple and it isnt gonna hurt any to be just a hair shorter RD . Keep it simple buddy . You got your first great idea from me , a REDNECK , maybe try another great idea too . ;)-----Might be an easier and better fix than risking getting the copper wire stuck in a thread , as you need to be able to repeat removal and installation MANY times .
     
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  15. rdstrain49

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    KAB, need longer nipple not shorter. Came up with a method to fit the brass washers. Used a carbide burr and parallel jaw pliers to enlarge the hole, then friction fit the washer onto a tapered center punch, then using the punch for a handle, filed the outside of the washer to fit the nipple well. Gained about .010 and got 100% ignition. This method was a bit labor intensive, but a lot cheaper than having washers custom made, $195.00 for 100 washers.

    Thought about using small o rings instead of washer, may try it yet, but so far the hand fit washers seem to work just fine.
     
  16. KAB

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    Hmmm?

    Longer nipple ? Not following ya RD if your putting a washer under the nipple you are shortening the nipple not elongating it , right ? :confused:
    I am often confused but that just dont make sence ? What your gaining is higher nipple to hammer length , but in your cylinder you are for sure shortening it in the combustion chamber addinga washer to the underside of the threades .
     
  17. rdstrain49

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    The nipple wells were drilled a bit too deep, hammer would not come close to the nipples. I'll try to get pics.
     
  18. KAB

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    Got it

    Got it now , I though the nipples were too long into the chamber and for some reason it wasn't setting the powder off . Silly me :eek:
     
  19. rdstrain49

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    Just got done test firing. Not the most accurate shooter I've ever had but lots of fun to shoot. New wedge may help accuracy. The hand fit washers under the nipples worked to perfection. 100% ignition. Only shot about 20 rounds, much too cold for and extended range session. Chambers seem to be a bit over size. Makes maintaining even powder compression a bit difficult but no big deal. Larger ball may also help accuracy. This probably won't become my favorite BP but it's not bad. Forgot to take the camera to the shop. Next time, maybe.
     
  20. KAB

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    Cool

    Yup Rd , ours takes .457 for sure , only had the box of Hornady .454's and it swollowed them with little shaving off the Balls . I use grease over so didn't concern me about chainfires .
    Good luck and happy shootin . :D