Nikon scope

Discussion in 'Optics & Mounts' started by dreweB, Oct 3, 2012.

  1. dreweB

    dreweB New Member

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    I just purchased my Nikon prostaff with BDC ... I'm debating on wat yardage to "zero" my gun in at... I was thinking zeroed in at 200 giving me 2 inches high at 100 and able to reach out to 500 yards with the BDC... Open to all ideas
     
  2. Triumphman

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    It really depends on the caliber of rifle you're shooting. If it's a Standard caliber: 243, 270, 308, etc then set up at 100yds. If Magnum: 7mm, 300, or other, then set up at 200yds. This is just the way it's been with rifles/scope combos for over 50yrs as to their setups and Manufacturer's still use this setup today when calibrating their scopes with the new BDC reticles. Also only remember that BDC is only a reference guide, for holdovers. Different ammo will give different POI.
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  3. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    I think that NFC is optimized for the 5.56 55 grain fmj. But the OP should correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  4. dreweB

    dreweB New Member

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    My bad guys I am shooting a 30-06 180grain
     
  5. dreweB

    dreweB New Member

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    I'll probably never shoot to 500 yards in the woods but id like to try at the range
     
  6. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    The late great Jack O'Conner always said to have your 30-06, 270, 308. 243, etc. set up to shoot 3" high at 100 yards. You will then be dead on at 250 yards, and 3" low at 300 yards. His theory was that a dead on hold in the shoulder area of any deer sized game would be a kill from point blank to 300 yards. Makes sense.
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  7. Triumphman

    Triumphman Active Member

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    Jack O'Conner was a great shooter. Would this still hold true today with so many different bullet/powder/shell configurations compared to the 50's thru 70's? Nothing's the same as it once was. I mean, 3" is same measurement, but with flatter shooting ammo nowadays, better chambering, better barrel steels, much better scope glass to see easier. Maybe I'm making this into more than it needs to be, but things have really changed since Jack's time. I still hold true, that if you're gonna shoot around 100yds, then sight rifle at that range, and if you're gonna shoot at 300yds, then sight for that range, and if animal comes closer than that range, then adjust how high your bullet will rise to compensate, by holding your sight down lower. Your ammo tells you where you hit your target consistently.
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  8. dreweB

    dreweB New Member

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    That sounds pretty good I think ima go 2 inches high at 100 yards and see we're everything goes from there thanks everyone
     
  9. bman940

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    If you go to Nikon's Spot On Ballistic Program to take full advantage of your BDC reticle, you can check ballistic's and also put in number's to see what the drop would be at 200,300,400 and so forth depending on what zero you use. When I lived in Oregon I used a 200 yard zero, roughly 2 inches high at 100 yards because of shooting across canyon's in Eastern Ore., I moved to Maine and changed the zero to be dead on at 100 yards since the timber was thick and 200 yards was probably not going to happen.
    Spot On will let you enter all your shootig info and see where you will end up, you can also print a pic of BDC reticle and distance's related to the data you entered. Very cool program with lots of info at your finger tips that will save you a bunch of $ at the range. You can even buy the app for a pad or smart phone. Free on line version at nikonhunting.com. Enjoy! Drop me a note guy's if you have any question's.
     
  10. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    jack o'conner


    When you say,"...then adjust how high your bullet will rise to compensate..." you are saying just what old Jack was telling everyone to avoid. He also said that if one tries to compensate for bullet drop, windage, hold over, hold under, or whatever, especially in the excitement of the hunt and having the trophy of your dreams in your sights, you are likely to do some plain and fancy missing. By holding on the animal's shoulder, no matter what the distance, you are more likely to score a hit if your load is sighted so as to rise or drop no more than 3" with the quarry at between point blank and 300 yards. This means 3" high at 100 yards for most (maybe not all) cartridges. To answer your other statement, rifles and ammunition have not changed that much since the 60's. My newest rifle is a Marlin bolt action in .25-06 and that cartridge has been around for 80 years or so. My oldest rifle is a Husqvarna M648, made in the 40's or 50's in 8x57 Mauser. All of my rifles are fairly old and I like the older guns. I still use the same powders and data I used in the late 60's and early 70's and the results I see are the same today. If ammo today loaded w/ the same powder, primers, bullets, and data as was used in the late 60's shoots flatter, then I would like some specific examples as I don't buy it.
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  11. mdauben

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    I like the idea of using the caliber and loadings "maximum point blank range" (MPBR) when deciding where to zero a hunting rifle. With your load if you sight in 1.5 inches high at 200 yards you should hit within 3 inches of your POA from 0 to 269 yards. No need to worry about hold over until you exceed that range.

    That should cover 99% of the shots most hunters will ever take. ;)
     
  12. Gh0zt36

    Gh0zt36 Active Member

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    That sucks I cant use nikon's spot on program because I run ubuntu linux and linux doesnt utilize java :/

    I just bought this same scope only its the .22LR rimfire version and tried to register for the spot on prog and it wouldnt work .
     
  13. dreweB

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    I got another question... On my gun not I have a red field 3-9x40 with Leupold rings ... Do I needa get new rings for my Nikon??
     
  14. bman940

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    Gh., If you have a smart phone you can buy the Spot On app for $4.99 I believe. I have missed 2 cotote's because I was playing with Spot On out in the field, checking this and trhat and dang yote's walked right up on my and I never got a shot. That being said, because of Spot On, I have yet to not have a one shot stop on a coyote when I have pulled the trigger.

    http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/CoyoteSPrairepanther_2-2.jpg
     
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    Drew, you do not need to get new rings, as long as they are 1 inch you should be fine.

    Gh., I would be happy to print you out a sheet from Spot On if you send me your contact info and the ammo you are shooting.
     
  16. Gh0zt36

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    hey thanks dude much appreciated HOWEVER I forgot I have a copy of Windows XP ruunning in virtual box on ubuntu and i ran it on there and it works :D pretty neat program too .... shows you where you're going to be at throught the different powers in the scope. although it shows the golden bullet rem one round i have at 40gr and its really 36gr but whatever ...

    I'm getting a remington 597 tomorrow and I might go for the Prostaff 4x40 fixed power on that one.

    The 3-9x40 is going on my 10/22 takedown .

    Thanks again sir , I really appreciate you offering to print me out a sheet. I had totally forgot XP was on virtual box. I always wondered what practical application virtual box had too. I guess I just found out .
     
  17. bman940

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    Check out the P-22 2-7 Rimfire scope. You're gonna love that lil 597, guy's I know who have one say they are very accurate.
    Are you saying the bullet you have is 36 gr and Spot ON show's 40 gr for the Rem. round? We always appreciate guy's letting us know about eror's or ammo we don't have so we can constantly keep site up to date. If you noticed, we even have G7 drag tables for reloader's! What I really like about Spot On, is how easy it makes sighting in for the distance I want my zero.
    Glad you were able to get things working. Nikonhunting.com, then click on Spot On logo for you guy's who have never checked out this sight. If you wonder if our BDC reticle really works, we have over 1 million registered user's so we must be doing something right!
     
  18. Gh0zt36

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    Yea , ya know I saw that p-22 after I'd already bought the prostaff bdc . But I think it'll be fine nikon makes excellent optics no matter the make.

    And are you with the Nikon spot on site? that's pretty cool if so . So yea The golden bullet bulk pack .22lr hp is 36gr and is not listed . I assume the 40gr is the round nose. I mean its no big deal . im sure 4 gr difference is only a couple yard difference on the reticle.
     
  19. bman940

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    Not a big difference but we like to have everything in the que. I work freelance for an advertising agency that works for Nikon so I do a lot of different things. Shooting event's,social media, Shot Show, teaching and about anything else I am asked to do....

    Here's a pic of my P-22 Scopes with P-Series Mounts.

    http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/P-22Scopesnmount.jpg
     
  20. dreweB

    dreweB New Member

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    No thanks I got the spot on app on my phone