night sights,or crimson trace

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by shataway, Mar 17, 2012.

  1. shataway

    shataway New Member

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    hey guys i was thinking about night sights or crimson trace laser grips.(down the road a bit)What is involved in installing the sights.machineing. ect.are the laser grips really bennificial?which would yall recomend and why?......steven
     
  2. JonM

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    as a range toy lasers are fun. as a seldefense tool i think they are on the order of carrying your gun with a empty mag. wasting time trying to find the dot i think will get ya killed in a true sd situation.

    just my opinion
     

  3. canebrake

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    My Trijicon tritium night sights don't have a battery that will die just before you do! :rolleyes:
     
  4. g23shooter

    g23shooter New Member

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    Tru-Glow tritium on mine, best of both worlds.
     
  5. GunRunner

    GunRunner New Member

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    I have both and I think people that dont have laser sights dont understand........ The bullet goes where the dot is........ Faster target acquisition. I can put shoot after shot after shot in the same whole with a laser without ever having to look down the sights. Now I would never suggest lasers over practicing basic skills and learning to shoot but an advantage is an advantage.

    I bet that a good shooter without a laser sight is a better shooter with one.
     
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  6. MrWray

    MrWray New Member

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    I am a firm believer in night sights, they are worth their weight in gold whenever you work alot of night shifts. They are all that i will use on my pistols.
     
  7. gollygee

    gollygee New Member

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    I used the laser grips on my pistol to practice 'point & shoot' accuracy, dry firing at home & it's a lot cheaper than .45ACP at the range. I got a way to go yet, but once that's mastered, won't need the laser or the sights.
     
  8. KY1911

    KY1911 New Member

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    I have both as well. However, the laser grips are tuned to be at a certain distance. I am seriously considering aiming it straight and getting used to knowing that my HIT point will be a little up and to the left...no matter the distance. Of course I always as a habit pull up and use the sights and my sense of aim anyway. I was taught that you should look at the sights with "both eyes" because closing one will obviously take an eye of the danger!

    What do you guys think about that?
     
  9. NativH

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    If you have the time and calmness to turn on a laser when a predator confronts you, and regain your composure when that niftly little gadget possibly doesn't work exactly as expected while your adrenaline is rushing through your body like Niagra Falls after the snow melt, then you are probably not in a real gunfight. I want to concentrate on the issue at hand not where or if the red dot is in the proper place.

    The difference between 1.45 seconds and 1.5 seconds is a casket. Luckily I have yet to experience the gunfight personally but I'll take my lead from the guys who have, not the technical salesman who goes home to a warm house while I end up on a cold slab. Yeah and I know that SWAT has them on their MP5's but they pick their fights. When the fight comes to me, I doubt I will be the one picking the time, place, or having any upfront notice.
     
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  10. canebrake

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    Well said NativH!
     
  11. dvcguns

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    After years of using night sights I no longer buy them. If you are shooting with a light in hand normal sights are backlit and work fine. If you don't have time to use your light you are point shooting anyway.

    Crimson trace lasers are the answer although I don't own one at this time. They come on when you grip the gun and confirm your sight picture. They are a huge deferent also.

    The reason I don't own one? My high index blocks the beam so under pressure I see nothing on target because my laser dot is on my finger which is touching the barrel hood of my G17 until I decide to shoot.

    If the ever make one that actuates out the front guide rod by gripping the grip that is reliable, I will buy it.
     
  12. Wi_Hunter556

    Wi_Hunter556 New Member

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    Id say night sights. No time to fiddle with a laser in a sticky situation.

    The Constitution shall never be construed … to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. –Samuel Adams
     
  13. KY1911

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    Night sights are great...I use them as well. Fiddling with or turning on a laser...shouldn't be an issue. You leave them on all the time it doesn't drain it and gripping the pistol tight shines it.

    Idk about y'all but if I seen a glowing red light shining a path towards me...I'm running, but then again I'm no thief or trouble so I've nothing to worry about. But I can say if I have to shine it on someone they better hope they can fly cause soon to follow will he a loud boom. Not that ill rely on it cause I got green dots to go by and I'd prefer those cause there's no room for failure with them. Really a laser is more of a hey, you been had scare tactic n my opinion. Crossed me mind to sell mine...
     
  14. GunRunner

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    No it was not! If I squeeze the grip, the laser cuts on nothing complicated in that. Now I can bend over, shoot between my legs and hit the bullseye without ever looking down the sights.
    I know that is an extreme situation but what you Nay Sayers are missing is the fact that you can pin point a target without ever raising your pistol to focus down your sights to make sure you are on target and not shoot an innocent to the left or right or that you round will miss your intended target and possibility go through a wall and hit a family member.

    I'm a good shot without a laser but my time to acquire a target and hit are significantly reduced with Crimson Trace laser grips maybe there are other laser that are more complicated and might slow you down but these are not them.

    I know there are videos on YouTube about crimson trace shooting tips and training, maybe some of you should watch them.

    I know John Moses Browning didn't invent them but its time to move on.
     
  15. Gonzilla

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    Training: Rob Letham (sp) has a video on YouTube where he demonstrates how to use a Laser to perfect trigger control.

    I have a CT laser and it does turn on when you grip the pistol - automatically. W/O a laser, you are just point shooting and that is the quickest way to miss I know of.

    A point already brought up but worth mentioning again is W the laser, the gun can be accurately fired from the hip or 2nd step in draw vs 4th step and that time savings could be the difference between life and death.

    Experienced shooters have learned to use lasers to aim while keeping themselves behind cover.

    My brother is a LEO. He had a laser on his Glock and has had to use it twice. Both times it had a dramatic effect on the suspect and he didn't have to discharge his firearm. Keeps lawyers unemployed...(note: he had to remove it)

    Nothing can take the place of training but if lasers can make you a better shooter, why wouldn't you want them ?
     
  16. canebrake

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    I respect both of your convictions.

    With that said, these guys did alright without the aid of lasers.

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    And so did this bunch.

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  17. dvcguns

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    I've done a fair bit of point shooting and trained with Roger Phillips before he joined Suarez Intl and can tell you that Paul Howe has it right on this subject along with many others.

    Most people don't shoot enough to know how to use their sights let alone point shoot which is even more perishable of a skill.

    There is no downside to a laser for someone that already know how to index shoot and use sights, none.
     
  18. GunRunner

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    This I agree with, if a person can hit the bullseye all day with a laser but can't find the paper without it then yes I can see Murphy's law causing a bad out come.
     
  19. KY1911

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    True story...again I have both.

    Shooting with a relative he says to me "you can do pretty good with that laser"
    I replied, "really? Funny thing is, its daylight and im not using it" I was just pulling up and instinctively knocking down a few 2 liters from about 20 yards.

    I don't care what you shoot or what extras are on it... if you do not have a feel for the tool it wont perform as you desire.
     
  20. KG7IL

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    My Crimson Trace stays in the on position, activated by grip alone, no other action required.
    My Mepro Nite Site glows during the day, all the time :)

    I notice neither during day shooting, but find them both to be a very natural extension as dusk / night falls.

    My predators tend to be coyotes and raccoons, but great practice for when they get up and walk on two legs.