Newest Russian Mistress

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by jammersavage44, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. jammersavage44

    jammersavage44 New Member

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    Just got dropped off at my house this afternoon. 1943 izhevsk PU sniper from AIM. Been researching her markings from tip to butt and so far she looks like the real deal although the only non matching part is the scope to the receiver stamp (the stamp on the left hand side was struck out and the serial of the PU scope was stamped above it....no electropencil though).
     

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  2. marc29th

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    Very nice indeed! I need to add to PU Sniper to my Mosin-Nagant collection. *drools*
     

  3. jammersavage44

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    A couple things I'm wondering about while I was doing research as to the authenticity.

    First, on the left side of the receiver right above the wood is a scope serial number that was struck out. Of course this tells me that this is indeed sniper hardware. Instead of electropencil though, there is the serial number of my scoped STAMPED in above the lined out serial. Does this point towards them switching out the PU scope for another during military service at the time this sniper was being used? I know electropencil is used when force matching.

    Secondly, in just about every single picture I have seen of other PU sniper rifles, the mount that the scope is on, there is electropencil on the side of the mount. For some reason there isn't on mine. It is not aluminum mount either. The way it was designed and the tabs machined down points towards it being an original mount points towards it being THE original mount. What significance does this have?

    Any and all knowledge is appreciated as well as anything else I should look for (ie wood on stock looking freshly etc etc.) The bolt is a true sniper bolt, it shows none of the hallmarks of being welded and such. Looking forward to hearing responses!
     
  4. longunner

    longunner New Member

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    Not sure if you know about it but check out 7.62x54r.net
     
  5. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Nice, way to go !......................
     
  6. jammersavage44

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    Thank you for the link :) That's been pretty much my Russian bible for the last 9 months or so and the very first place I go anytime I need to do research. Unfortunately that site nor a couple of the other better known Mosin sites get into the sniper double stamp as opposed to electropencil or scrubbing.

    While I was giving her a deep cleaning this morning I did notice a couple more odd things too.

    They say you can tell if the stock is original sniper or not by how fresh the cutout is for the scope. While I had her apart this morning I was looking at specifically that and noticed something. When examing the cut for the mount, the bottom does indeed look like it was freshly cut BUT the sidewalls all the way from top to bottom and also the little cutout on the bottom that drops down a bit more all have the same finish as the rest of the stock? Usually I would surmise that some wood was planed off the bottom but will leave it up to other capable brains for this one.

    Another marking I've not encountered in my other Mosins is that while the serial number is in the usual places and matching without scrubbing, strikeouts, or forematching of any kind, there is also the same serial number in the location in the picture. Again none of the markings sites have made any reference to this that I've seen.
     

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  7. jpattersonnh

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    As far as variations on Soviet Snipers, there are allot when it comes to Izhevsk.
    I have a 1942 Izhevsk that is an original PU, but that year the scope serial number stamp on the receiver was hit or miss. It was often never stamped at all. Mine is not. It also had a new mount and scope added in the late 1950's early '60's. The scope is correct, but has coated optics which were not used by the Soviets untill the last 1/2 of the '50's. The base is the original. The stock is also worn from being rested on hard objects and wrapped in clothe. My scope bears the Progress stamp as most do. It is not dated. It also does not bear the X in a sqaure for rebuilt scopes.
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  8. jammersavage44

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    She's a beauty though and really liking how the wood looks!
     
  9. TDS92A

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    Someone tell me how I can add one of these to my collection, PLEASE!!! :D
     
  10. marc29th

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  12. JonM

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    all pu snipers are round receivered with steel mounts. do not loosen the rings to "level" the scope it is canted in order to line up the reticle and bore in the verticle when the rifle is canted to level the reticle when looking through it. loosening the rings to level the rifle and level the scope is a huge mistake and if you do it the thing will never track true when using the bdc.

    mine loves winchester white box 180grain. commonly groups less than an inch at 100.

    i dont run surplus through it. ive got beater mosins for that junk.

    the strike through nmbers are done at time of rearsenal when the soviets refurbed and new numbers are reissued this can be done in stampings or electro pencil and is called force matching. after the rearsenal they were packed away and didnt see day light until you got one.

    on top of each dial are a couple of screws two are small and hold the bdc and windage drums tight. zero your rifle with the chosen load then loosen the screws not removing them and the bdc and windage can be set to zero and 100. the range is in meters i zeroed mine for 100yds its close enough. seems to track true enough from 100 to 300yds.

    i really like the pu scope. when you learn to hold it with the same eye relief and use the tippy tip of the reticle its amazingly accurate
     
  13. Mercator

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    A rifle as long as the 91/30 must hit the POA at 100 unless maybe it is a smooth bore musket. Sober up fellows. There's no magic to the Mosin. Don't make too much of the double stamp either. The soviets were not as thoughtful and consistent in reissuing this rifle than the starry eyed American enthusiast wants to believe. The PU scope reticle is not centered, so moving it as you watch feels like a revelation. It was indeed a great tool in the field. The rifle was already obsolete when WW2 began. It remained in service not because it was exceptional, but because it was simple rugged and plentiful. I hope not to step on any toes but if I have forgive me for I am a friend of the Mosin not a foe.
     
  14. JonM

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    Cept no one fielded a fundamentally better sniper rifle scope combo till the mid 1980's. In vietnam we cobbled together hunting rifles and hunting scopes. Not even the vaunted svd was a truly better system. The 03a4 garand m1d british enfield snipers all suffered from shoddy mounts optics or both.

    The ruskies churned those things out purpose built in the tens of thousands and they flat out worked for the intended purpose. The worlds greatest ssuper power couldn't figure it out for another 60 years and honestly we couldn't produce sniper rifles enmass today like the russians did and have them combat rugged.
     
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  15. mag318

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    These are fun rifles with a lot of history. I have a post war Hungarian version that shoots suprisingly well for the technology. Every military collector should own one of these.
     

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  16. sigman84

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    I will be getting one of those just to have in a lil while. Not sure when. Maybe when tax returns come.
     
  17. jammersavage44

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    Keep an eye on AIM and Classic. Hoping they still have some to sell when you get your tax return, they are well worth the money.